+1 Curtana Vs Myth armor

So were about to start coil and was wondering about what you guys thought about +1 curtana or buying some myth armor. I dont have threat issues, i would think the armor is more beneficial and also as a tank +1 on our wep dont make us dps monsters either. Sheild is already +1 tho.

Your first Allagan Tombstones of Mythology
This is to address a question that has been ask quite a few times throughout the thread. I play very efficiently as I do not get to play as often as many other top end tanks. This was my expenditure order and should be treated as opinion, especially since I lean more on being an enmity tank rather than a largely mitigation tank. I feel that if I control the battle and there is one target to heal rather than multiple targets to heal, it is worth the loss in mitigation. Please note that should you receive an ilvl90 drop that fits one of the following slots, do not replace it with another ilvl90. You should move on to what's next on the list.
90AM - Curtana +1 - Biggest and fastest enmity boost you can get, if you dont have aggro I dont care how much you mitigate if the mob is not looking at you. Also very close to BiS, only superceded by the Allagan Blade.
90ME - Holy Shield +1 - BiS shield
90AM - Hero's Ring Of Fending - following the mantra of "replace your lowest ilvl first," this will more than likely replace your Hoplite Ring.
90ME - Valor Surcoat - Now that we have a nice chunk of HP, let's start mitigating. This adds defense as well as a nice bit of enmity. Not to mention the vanity aspect of it looking quite nice.
90AE - Valor Coronet - Due to the fact that you replaced your Heavy Darklight Armor with Valor Surcoat you are probably wearing your Hoplite Circlet. Get this if you are unable to get the Allagan Helm to drop for you.
90AE - Hero's Belt Of Fending - Now that we added some mitigation lets go back to adding some more HP
90EM - Hero's Necklace Of Fending - Now we are walking into the enmnity augmentations. Please note that your enmity is rising but your accuracy is falling, make sure you don't drop below 472
90EM - Hero's Earrings Of Fending - Continue your journey to raise the enmnity cieling of your group, but be wary of your accuracy levels.
90ME - Valor Gauntlets - This is where you have purchased all BiS or close to BiS Mythology items. Use your tomes at your leisure, but again make sure you are not dropping your accuracy levels if you lean too much on mitigation or enmity.


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You get higher def and HP with armor +1, you might have HP like 5800-6000 but if you can't hold aggro against those DD relic +1, you are useless.

Got to agree with Altimis here (who agrees with Pixelshader). In the short term, a lot of tanks favor getting a piece of AF2 over +1ing the sword because it does offer a bigger survivability boost. However, there's some things to consider longterm:

- With the exception of the Helmet, all other slots have an Allagan piece equivalent to AF2 that drops from turns 1-4 of coil. Even though the Allagan part might not be best in slot in a final gear loadout, the difference is so minimal between Allagan and AF2 stats that you should always snap up the allagan parts when you can if they drop.
- The sword will only be replaced when Turn 5 is downed... and even then the allagan sword will be a small sidegrade as it's not directly that much better.
- Right now, it might feel like you have "enough threat". But be warned. As you progress through coil, and groups start gearing up, every DPS player you play with will be getting more and more gear. Their relics will become Relic +1. Their gear will get more and more dps stats on it. YOUR gear however will mostly improve in the survivability stakes.

I +1'd my relic and I don't regret it. Aside from looking shiny, I know it'll be a "safe" use of myth tomes. The important thing with gearing up is to get as many meaningful upgrades as swiftly as possible, and the last thing I want to do is spend 3 weeks worth of tomes on an AF2 chest just to have Allagan Chest drop in Turn 1 the week after. And whilst I feel that right now the Relic +0 would be fine, I can tell that the DPS players I play with regularly are getting better and better, and I really value the noticeable threat lead that +1 gave me.

In a sense, higher threat can also lead to overall survivability in a weird way. When you're being really really chased by dps that are super close to your threat levels you're pretty much locked into spamming pure halone combo threat rotations just to keep ahead. When you have a sizeable threat lead, you have much more capacity for using utility spells. You can flash more on single targets for the blind debuff. You can weave in stuns on less-important attacks. You can conserve TP better with more shield swipes, or use shield swipes for the pacification where applicable. You can spend "downtime" casting Stoneskin rather than feeling you need to use it to get more of a threat lead. Yes you can do all that with any weapon, but the more threat you have, the more flexibility you have in what you do with your GCDs.

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Originally Posted by Sapphidia

- The sword will only be replaced when Turn 5 is downed... and even then the allagan sword will be a small sidegrade as it's not directly that much better.
- Right now, it might feel like you have "enough threat". But be warned. As you progress through coil, and groups start gearing up, every DPS player you play with will be getting more and more gear. Their relics will become Relic +1. Their gear will get more and more dps stats on it. YOUR gear however will mostly improve in the survivability stakes.

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I am of a different mind here. I have not +1'd either of the relics. I personally went straight for Body>Head>Gloves. My coil group just cleared turn4 last night, and I have been having 0 issues with threat. This is with my dps all using +1 relic and a mix of DL/Allagan/AF2. Only times I've seen any threat issues are on turn 4 if a healer pops a group heal right as a new wave spawns, but I get that threat back almost instantly.

Sword/Shield aren't even on my radar until I have valor legs/ring, and maybe feet. Then I'll look at sword/shield depending on the Coil drops (would rather have Allagan Shield over relic +1)

I +1'd my Curtana. Left the shield as Allagan is apparently BiS and you get that in Turn 1 or 2.

With full DL wait till you get Allagan body (first turn I believe) and then get AF2 head as Allagan doesn't drop till turn 5.

I cannot agree with upgrading the shield as a priority. The benefits from that are very minimal, mostly unnoticeable (+1 str, +2 vit, +2 parry, and some minor block increase that doesn't put you in a higher block tier). The ring and the head are definitely priority #1 for myth upgrades, especially while there are no allagan head pieces yet that anyone's gotten. Replacing a hoplite ring with a hero ring is a +7 vit, +5 accuracy, +3 parry upgrade, a huge boost over shield. The head piece likewise, upgrading from hoplite to valor is a +8 str, +9 vit, +6 accuracy, +15 crit upgrade. From there you can either choose to upgrade the body or something else, but personally I'm planning on skipping the body for now since it can drop from turn 1 of coil.

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Originally Posted by Kal-El

I +1'd my Curtana. Left the shield as Allagan is apparently BiS and you get that in Turn 1 or 2.

With full DL wait till you get Allagan body (first turn I believe) and then get AF2 head as Allagan doesn't drop till turn 5.

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BiS how? The only difference between relic shield +1 and allagan shield is that relic has +7 skill speed and allagan has +7 accuracy, otherwise they are *exactly the same in every way possible*. Considering how paladin literally bleeds excess accuracy from every piece, I'd say relic is BiS, but a low priority upgrade.

Jahaudant did a pretty decent analysis in another thread, as well...

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-endgame/page2

His stated goal was maximizing Parry whilst retaining 470+ (and also 480+ since there is not yet a public consensus on cap for Turn 5). I think that's a reasonable goal.

Until Turn 5 is downed, Curtana +1 is undeniably BiS, but by the same token most Valor gear is too. On top of that, the priciest upgrades are also generally the least likely to be pushed aside by Allagan versions (body and legs).

Quite honestly, I feel as though Hero's Ring of Fending is a near no-brainer for early myth spending as it is a massive upgrade, undeniably BiS, inexpensive, and does not have any particular impact on gearing strategy (if the strategy includes not going overkill on Acc).

If threat is an issue, +1 sword is certainly a good option, but quite frankly even as your DPS gear up, threat shouldn't be an issue if your DPS are competent. Even one Halone combo at the start of a boss encounter before your DPS go buck wild is generally enough of a head start even with a NQ Curtana. It's certainly not a bad upgrade, though, if you want a glowy sword (vanity is a powerful motivator, let's not pretend otherwise) or have any threat concerns whatsoever.

I, for one, snagged shield +1 ahead of sword (extra mitigation which cannot be replicated elsewhere, not having threat issues) but I don't see buying +1 sword as a bad idea either. Given the friends I raid with, it makes sense to prioritize additional survival buffer over bleeding-edge threat/DPS output (our DPS pace is fine, and threat is not an issue, but quite honestly need to be able to absorb small execution mistakes and maximum tank survivability is good for that). I will be gathering more ilvl 90 gear before picking up +1 sword, but I think any "best spending" needs to be tailored to the needs of your individual raid group so your ideal order and mine may differ.

By my estimation the BiS list, including Turn 5 drops but excluding crafted gear, is:

Allagan blade
Allagan Shield
Allagan Helm
Valor Surcoat
Valor Gauntlets
Allagan Plate Belt
Valor Cuisses
Heavy Allagan Flanchard
Allagan Choker of Fending
Allagan Earrings of Fending
Allagan Bracelet of Fending
Allagan Ring of Fending
Hero's Ring of Fending

This provides you with the largest amount of parry possible (585 on the character sheet) while still being accuracy capped with food.

Obviously this isn't useful information in regards to gearing priority since it requries two drops from Turn 5, so I put together the following list which requires only drops from Turns 1 and 2, which is where I expect most people to be for a while:

Curtana +1
Holy Shield +1
Valor Coronet
Heavy Allagan Armor
Valor Gauntlets
Allagan Plate Belt
Heavy Allagan Cuisses
Heavy Allagan Flanchard
Allagan Choker of Fending
Allagan Earrings of Fending
Hero's bracelet of Fending
Hero's ring of Fending
Allagan Ring of Fending

This set has -29 parry, +1 accuracy, +26 crit, and +9 Determination compared to the Turn 5 set.

Considering the relatively low difference in total mitigation provided by 29 points of parry, I can't say that the Turn 2 set is really much worse off than the Turn 5 set, either.

If you are willing to invest millions of gil into materia and HQ DPS accessories, you can also get some very significant stat gains by sacrificing 10 parry rating and 25 vitality.

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Originally Posted by dark494

BiS how? The only difference between relic shield +1 and allagan shield is that relic has +7 skill speed and allagan has +7 accuracy, otherwise they are *exactly the same in every way possible*. Considering how paladin literally bleeds excess accuracy from every piece, I'd say relic is BiS, but a low priority upgrade.

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Several tanks that have completed turn 4 said it's BiS. Think the reason for this is because it's an early drop in Coil so you don't have to waste 300 myth.

If they're *exactly the same in every way possible* why pay to upgrade when you could get the drop?

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Originally Posted by Kal-El

Several tanks that have completed turn 4 said it's BiS. Think the reason for this is because it's an early drop in Coil so you don't have to waste 300 myth.

If they're *exactly the same in every way possible* why pay to upgrade when you could get the drop?

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No one cares how easy it is to get. It's about min/maxing.

If the accuracy isn't needed, then HS+1 would be better.

The functional statistical differences in how you spend your myth tomes are minimal at best. As long as you're earning myth tomes and spending them on gear, and getting upgrades, in a very real sense, upgrading for vanity provides more utility for players than upgrading for statistics.

Because HP been the most notable difference - varies by a couple hundred points based on the piece (e.g. going sword and shield upgrade over AF2 chest). And even that is only a less than 3-4% difference at end game HP pool. Combined with the benefits that sword and shield gives over additional HP - and the difference is a wash.

The average item level of the group and their ability to communicate, strategize and execute will make by far the biggest differences in your success at end game. The item order of your gear relative to those points is like the difference between using <se.1> and <se.2> in a macro...

Upgrade your weakest parts first. Don't worry about what MIGHT drop from a turn. That's lunacy. Don't worry about the sword at all unless you're having emnity issues, which you shouldn't be having at all. The boost to emnity isn't even noticeable in most situations. Establishing threat is more about timing than it is about pure output.

Work with your other Coil tank and make sure you're both buying different myth pieces. That way if something drops one of you gets it and the other already has that part. We've been doing Coil for quite a while and we've only seen a single chest piece drop and one pair of pants, as well as a tanking neck. After over a month. If you're relying on "It'll probably drop for me!" then you're doing it wrong.

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Originally Posted by Kal-El

Several tanks that have completed turn 4 said it's BiS. Think the reason for this is because it's an early drop in Coil so you don't have to waste 300 myth.

If they're *exactly the same in every way possible* why pay to upgrade when you could get the drop?

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I would think skill speed gives better returns than more accuracy when you're already well over the accuracy cap.