Linkshell Member Limit Cap Increase!

It's odd to me that the Linkshell Member Limit is so low, even lower than blist or friends list. It would seem that since people can have up to 8 Linkshells that Linkshells will inevitably get more members than FCs since people can only have 1 FC. Why then is the member limit for Linkshells set so dreadfully low at just 128 members? An increase in this number would be awesome!

Also a feature to see the last login would be nice.

Since there is not much space, could help clear the inactive people to make space for active people.

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Originally Posted by Razsca

Also a feature to see the last login would be nice.

Since there is not much space, could help clear the inactive people to make space for active people.

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Yes this would be super helpful!

Anymore input on the issue? I would like to see if others would also like an increase.

Yes, me and my other friends from Indonesian community are having this issue. We have to separate people whenever the LS is full. Now that the server transfer is up there's many of us coming. It's weird to see LS capacity is much fewer than FC, LS should be able to cope more than an FC be able to :(

A feature to see the last login would be nice. Whenever we hit the max, the officer were like.
"Hey you see Richard lately?"
"Em nope..."
*kick kick kick until there's more space*

Yeah with a limit this low, having long inactive people taking up such valuable space can become a real issue. =/

*pokes* Anymore opinions?

I think they could stand to be bigger. A capacity of 512 would be nice.

Tangentially, my Free Company asked if they had plans to increase the FC limit and the answer was no, but that there would be FC alliances in the future.

Yeah, my FC is RP-oriented, and we use our LS for OOC chat, so it kind of sucks because unless they increase the size we've got to restrict LS membership to FC-only if we want to fit even part of the FC in it.

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Originally Posted by Razsca

Also a feature to see the last login would be nice.

Since there is not much space, could help clear the inactive people to make space for active people.

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yes, please. 10/char

daily bump ^^

Let me ask this, and I'm not trying to start a flame war or any crap.

What is pushing you away from converting your linkshell into an FC?
You don't even really -have- to use any of the FC features, per se,
but you'd have the 512 member cap instead of the 128.

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Originally Posted by Swishytail

Let me ask this, and I'm not trying to start a flame war or any crap.

What is pushing you away from converting your linkshell into an FC?
You don't even really -have- to use any of the FC features, per se,
but you'd have the 512 member cap instead of the 128.

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Mostly the fact that people can only have 1 FC, so they'd all have to leave their FCs for the Linkshell to be converted into an FC. About 80% of most Linkshell members already have an FC. What I am wondering is why, when you can only have one FC, but people can have multiple Linkshells so they don't have to be restricted to one, is the Linkshell member limit so low? 128 is a really low number for a chat group, especially since they don't allow you to see last log ins so that you may be able to remove inactive people.

128 is beyond enough. What is wrong with you people?

I do agree showing a last log in would be nice though.

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Originally Posted by Husband

128 is beyond enough. What is wrong with you people?

I do agree showing a last log in would be nice though.

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*shrug* That is your opinion. I know plenty of people who are already running into full linkshell issues. ^^

Hmm. In that case, and I know this might not exactly seem ideal, you could essentially make
two linkshells as one linkshell, in a way. You can make "Linkshell" and "Linkshell2" or some varient
of. That way you technically have 128x2 of space. Then you can have both linkshells chats in the
same tab in your chat box. Just an idea. :)

I believe what SE had in mind regarding the LS/FC sizes was that FC would be comprised of a large number of people that would group up in large numbers to battle and linkshells are more to the social end. As far as the size.. in FFXI we made due with a limit of 36 members in our LS. I'm not sure what the idea is behind feeling a need to have hundreds of people in your linkshell but it's a popular apparently. Personally I'm completely fine with the current limits. I'd rather know everyone in my shell.

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Originally Posted by Swishytail

Hmm. In that case, and I know this might not exactly seem ideal, you could essentially make
two linkshells as one linkshell, in a way. You can make "Linkshell" and "Linkshell2" or some varient
of. That way you technically have 128x2 of space. Then you can have both linkshells chats in the
same tab in your chat box. Just an idea. :)

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I have thought of possibly doing that. I may ^^
It would be better to just have a larger limit on linkshells. I'm not sure what the reasoning is behind the low member cap.
And to those of you who are against it, how would it hurt your game experience personally if the Linkshell limit were to be increased?
I know on some servers there are Linkshells for everyone who speaks a certain language to be able to keep in touch.
There are also Linkshells to watch for FATEs like Odin and Behemoth popping, as well as Group Finder Linkshells.
A larger limit could only help these people out right? Who would it make life harder on?
Even if there never is a member cap increase, it would be good to be able to see last log-ins.
With a member limit this low, there is always a chance that over time it will become inactive due to many of the people in it leaving or taking long breaks from the game.
When people are often on at different times of the day, you can't accurately get an idea of who has been online lately by just asking people in the linkshell if they've seen them.
That person might be quiet, or a night owl, and then you end up kicking someone who is actually an active player. o_o

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Originally Posted by Swishytail

Hmm. In that case, and I know this might not exactly seem ideal, you could essentially make
two linkshells as one linkshell, in a way. You can make "Linkshell" and "Linkshell2" or some varient
of. That way you technically have 128x2 of space. Then you can have both linkshells chats in the
same tab in your chat box. Just an idea. :)

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This splits people up, segregating a community that would otherwise want to remain together. It's been a major problem with the RP linkshell on Balmung, which has three (or was it four?) separate linkshells so far to fit everyone, and that's not even the entirety of roleplayers on the server.

Incidentally, 128 is only 16 players if everyone has 8 alts in the shell. I know that isn't a very likely situation, but it does put into perspective how very low the 128 member limit is.

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Originally Posted by Begeta

I believe what SE had in mind regarding the LS/FC sizes was that FC would be comprised of a large number of people that would group up in large numbers to battle and linkshells are more to the social end. As far as the size.. in FFXI we made due with a limit of 36 members in our LS. I'm not sure what the idea is behind feeling a need to have hundreds of people in your linkshell but it's a popular apparently. Personally I'm completely fine with the current limits. I'd rather know everyone in my shell.

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SE also greatly underestimated the number of people in general who would be playing this game as well. So what SE had in mind vs what Linkshells have actually become is the thing to consider.

Because FCs are exclusive and Linkshells are not, there are a lot more small FCs out there and the Linkshells have become their way of keeping in touch with the rest of the server. Partially the reason this is such an issue, is the fact that we have no world channels that span across multiple zones other than the Linkshells and FC chats.

Also I played FFXI for years, I never realized the member limit on Linkshells was 36. Was it really THAT low? O_o They felt pretty full and active for that to be the case. D=

Also if you like a smaller, more intimate linkshell, the member limit cap being increased won't effect that. It won't FORCE you to invite more people to your own Linkshell that you like just how it is, small and cozy. It would simply help out those who need a larger chat group for whatever reason.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

This splits people up, segregating a community that would otherwise want to remain together. It's been a major problem with the RP linkshell on Balmung, which has three (or was it four?) separate linkshells so far to fit everyone, and that's not even the entirety of roleplayers on the server.

Incidentally, 128 is only 16 players if everyone has 8 alts in the shell. I know that isn't a very likely situation, but it does put into perspective how very low the 128 member limit is.

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This is exactly my point. Why have such a low limit on what is essentially just a chat group of people who'd like to be in touch with each other?

Wah?

Bump? Hmmm...

I agree with this, especially the part about last logins.

I know that linkshells are unique in their having a kind of "in lore" thing compared to chat channels in other games but I'm wondering if it's some consideration for memory management to consoles or what not as it might be with the FC as well, 8 times X number of members could lead to significant resource use, but I'm not exactly sure how much of that would be server side and whatnot.

They're higher than in FFXI but I don't think we're going to find out what the developer reasoning is this time around, but maybe it could be raised in time? We tend to forget that we're basically in the first iteration of a new game with no expansions yet, there is loads to be done and to come.

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Originally Posted by Altheras

Wah?

Bump? Hmmm...

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It's about time you become my lalafell minion!

Why ask for a increase of the limit cap when we can ask to have it removed?

LS are chat channels. We are in a 2013 MMO, it's not friggin odd to ask for plain unlimited chat channels isn't it?

Also the game would feel way less lonely with more people to speak with...

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Originally Posted by Brevitic

I'm wondering if it's some consideration for memory management to consoles or what not as it might be with the FC as well, 8 times X number of members could lead to significant resource use, but I'm not exactly sure how much of that would be server side and whatnot.

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I'm not sure what impact this would have on the console front. That could very well be part of the issue I suppose? Though I don't see how, if you have access to Shout, which is unlimited with no issue, I don't see why having an unlimited number of people in other chats would effect you, except for maybe bringing up the member lists? Even then you can do searches from consoles though... so I'm just not sure. =/

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Originally Posted by Nipa

Why ask for a increase of the limit cap when we can ask to have it removed?

LS are chat channels. We are in a 2013 MMO, it's not friggin odd to ask for plain unlimited chat channels isn't it?

Also the game would feel way less lonely with more people to speak with...

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This is true. WoW has unlimited user-created chat channels and it has for several years. I'm not sure what the issue is, or why the cap is even neccessary since all Linkshells have is the chat and a member list to manage. The list could maybe be the thing? Though if you can have a 500+ person list for your FC, there's no reason why you couldn't have the same for Linkshell. If it's an issue of bringing up the 2 lists at the same time, maybe make it so you can't bring up FC list and LS list at the same time?

I'm just scratching my head at how low the member cap is and wondering what the why behind it is.

bumpies ^^

Wow, here I was thinking the limit was already much too high as it is personally. You usually only have a handful of people that are active at any time in a LS anyway. I can't even imagine increasing the capacity, but it would be nice to see when people logged in last.
Either way, consider this a free bump and good luck.

OP-Thank you for stating your case so very well (repeatedly). I want to add that our LS/FC leasders have asked for the same thing. To the nay-sayers, all we want to do is expand the chat channels. With so many alts allowed to be made, most people cannot chat with their preferred group of folks unless they are on their main. For the RP crowd, this can be extremely problematic. For those of us who are from 1.0, we know and chat with alot of folks. There are ALOT of reasons to expand Linkshells as they seem to be only semi-private chat channels. All we ask from the Dev team is to acknowledge and address the Linkshell limit like they have acknowledged the Free Company limit.

Daily Bump! :)

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Originally Posted by Bitty

OP-Thank you for stating your case so very well (repeatedly). I want to add that our LS/FC leasders have asked for the same thing. To the nay-sayers, all we want to do is expand the chat channels. With so many alts allowed to be made, most people cannot chat with their preferred group of folks unless they are on their main. For the RP crowd, this can be extremely problematic. For those of us who are from 1.0, we know and chat with alot of folks. There are ALOT of reasons to expand Linkshells as they seem to be only semi-private chat channels. All we ask from the Dev team is to acknowledge and address the Linkshell limit like they have acknowledged the Free Company limit.

Daily Bump! :)

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Thanks! I think a lot of people are having issues with the Linkshell limit being too low, especially for Legacy people.

I know some people may not have a problem with it, and may never have a problem with it as it is currently. Still, even if you personally don't have an issue with the limit as it is, it won't effect you in any way for it to be raised. :)
Small Linkshells will stay small. This will just help out those of us with more than 128 people wanting to join our Linkshells for whatever reason. ^^

I would love to see an increase to the cap. The way my LS and FC is structure isn't conducive to using FC chat, so we're forced into to the 128 member cap on our FC as a result of the LS member cap.

Our LS just hit 85 members tonight, has been growing by roughly 3-5 members a day lately. o_o

bumps for the cause!

What do we want? More Shinies!
When do we want it? ...soon? >.>

Yup we seriously need to be able to add more members. I started an Odin and Behemoth shout and my members shot up over 100 within the first couple of hours, won't take long to reach 128 members for this, could do with everyone in this linkshell lol

I feel this is designed backwards.
FC max should be lower than LS max.
Around the amount FC has now is good. A limit of double what FC has (1000+) would be ideal.

Hmm oddly enough LS is one of the few things in XIV I don't use. FC has taken it's place really.

Personally, I think just having a "last log in" would be the best.

Too many people can make conversations hard to keep up