Paladin enmity

i wonder if i'm the only one to find the enmity generation of the paladin really low?
i means i did half a dungeon without oath and the other with... and i did barely notice any change.

worst if you are in a group of 4 with brd and blm it's a royal pain if the two don't watch them hate (almost no one in this jobs do it)

i did switch from +30 str to +30 vit, i wonder if i mustn't go back to +30 str.

Shield oath doesn't give you more enmity than just running around doing your normal DPS. The increased enmity basically just offsets your damage penalty in shield oath.

All of your enmity basically comes from comboed Rage of Halone.

If you have a relic weapon you shouldn't have any trouble.

I did AK with 2 BLMs, both with their Relic+1 weapons....
They expected to pull hate and they did, but they both congratulated me on how well I handled the situation. (I'm in Garuada Weapon, and mix DL/AK).
The run went smooth, but yes, enmity generation and mob holding is a group effort. As Pld we have very few AoE skills (flash being only decent one) so it takes coordination on every one's part.

A lot of times I remove Shield Oath and put on Sword Oath for Demon Wall and forget to switch back halfway through floor 3. When you're with a party that helps you hold hate, you wont notice a difference except in the damage you receive.

sadly i only have garuda weapon, but i feel weird to reduce damage and increase enmity as much as the damage reduction.

and worst, we mustn't wait to get the relic weapon (one of the best weapon of the game) for have no trouble in enmity.
something really feel weird there.

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Originally Posted by CyanDvai

A lot of times I remove Shield Oath and put on Sword Oath for Demon Wall and forget to switch back halfway through floor 3.

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Heh I do the same thing and forget to swapped back more often than not myself. As you said tho, hate management is a team effort.

It's all about how you maintain your rotation on multiple mobs. For the longest time I tanked all the end dungeons with just my ifrit weapon and sub-par gear but never had a problem holding hate. How you initiate the fight is very important for generating that initial burst of enmity to hold everything long enough for you to get into your rotation, and then it's just a matter of making sure you're not neglecting an enemy to the healer. RoH, or Fast Blade + Savage blade should be more than enough to hold the main target, and then you leave one of those attacks (either RoH or Savage blade) for one of the other mobs in your rotation so you keep everything in check.

DL/AK/Ifrit geared PLD here. I don't really have trouble with aggro unless its a relic summoner DoT spreading. Sure BRD and BLM make life hard but by no means can't hold aggro at all.

Shield lob #1, CoS/Flash everything, fastblade/Spirits #1, flash again, , during flash GCD I change to each target to look at threat, by the time GCD is gone I've chosen to either continue threat on #1 or spread threat around.

If you think you're going to lose threat on something don't be afraid to use shield bash to get 6 free seconds of it not running away while you remedy the issue. 6s is a lot more time than the one GCD using it will cost you.

Also don't be afraid to let the dps finish off targets if you have enough threat. I almost never have an enemy targeted when it dies. Heck, most of the time I've stunned the last target and have walked away to mark and pull the next group as the stunned target dies.

fast blade, savage blade, circle of scorn,flash , fast blade, savage blade , Reg of Halone , flash.

That should be sufficient to hold against AOE crits included.

i know how do my rotation, it's simply on some class it's almost impossible to hold the hate if they dps at full trottle more of 10 second. (brd/blm mostly)

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Originally Posted by ShinjoDale

fast blade, savage blade, circle of scorn,flash , fast blade, savage blade , Reg of Halone , flash.

That should be sufficient to hold against AOE crits included.

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Why would you wait until 5s into the fight to use CoS and why aren't you using Spirits within?

PLD threat generation is fine. It could be your weapon is lack luster or you are not tab-tanking properly. If you have threat problems try marking targets, especially in AoE fights. If your DPS are half inelegant they will be targeting the mobs in order with their aoe skills allowing you to have an easier time to build threat on the main target and in turn it becomes a lot easier to generate threat on the secondary mobs as you will only have to rotate a flash here and there and rotate mobs through your combos to hold threat, regardless of them blindly firing off AoE skills with little regard to their threat.

edit: didn't refresh the thread before i replied, oh well....

You can usually hold threat well up to 2 "tiers" above you.

GC/DL weapon? Should be okay if they've got Garuda's or under.

Ifrit? Should be okay through NQ relics.

Garuda? Can manage people with Relic +1s unless they're going balls-out.

Relic/Relic +1? Have a nap. ZEN FIRE ZE MISSILEZ.

Edit: Obviously sh*t's situational, and there are exceptions to every rule, but the above are more like guidelines than rules anyway.