Best way to tank multi target?

I just got pld and did a AK run today with average lvl 60 gear. Im a really new tank, i feel like really hard to keep multi target hate

Second and third mob either keep running to healer, or when i try to rotate comb on them, first mob run to dd, :(

Can any exp tank post their best way to tank multi target, help out a new tank please!!!!!!


Thank u all

Start the fight with double flash and circle of scorn

Roh combo the number one mob to let your dps start.

Flash again

Fast savage on target one

Roh target 3

Flash

By this point target one should be dead and you just have two mobs to deal with

I usually always start off a fight by shield lobbing first target, then my silence and aoe damage spell. Then I flash 2-3 times and start in on rage of halone sequence. Once I get one full RoH seq. off I start doing fast blade on main target, 2nd ability on 2nd target, then halone on main target. You can change up the mob you target with the second ability so you generate good threat all around, but always halone the Main target as it needs most threat.

Sorry on my phone so can't recall all skill names right now. Good luck!

Building on what everyone else has said here, after the opener and my first Rage of Halone combo on the first kill target, I will continue to Fast Blade, Savage Blade the kill target. Now I will cycle through the mobs and see which is most in need of threat and land Halone on that. Often times, all you need is one solid dump of threat to keep them on you and that's exactly what Rage of Halone does for you loaded with the combo multiplier. You will not need to worry about threat on a non kill target after he gets a full loaded Halone. Flashing in between RoH combo strings is also nice too.

Um.. So look like u can check other pt menber's hate on each mob, can any1 tell me how? Another noob question.....

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Watch the bars change as you rotate through targets. Also the targets in the list have a blinking aggro indicator that change color as you build hate. So you can switch to a mob that you have lost aggro on, see which players have more aggro than you, decide if you should finally use provoke, then smash the mob with a shield lob.

I used to Mark > Shield Lob > Flash > FB > SBlade >RoH > Change Target > FB > etc

Someone on this forum suggested this takes too long and gave this recommendation:

Mark > Shield Lob > Flash > FB > SBlade > Change Target > RoH> FB > Change Target > SBlade > RoH > etc

I call it two thirds, because I change targets to the mob I am most likely going to lose aggro on every 2/3 of a RoH Sequence. I also use the big attacks as soon as they are off timer, no matter where I am in the rotation. Also when I lose aggro on a mob, I Shield Lob to get it back, which I always follow with a Flash.

Good Luck,

Masha

Reroll Warrior. AoE threat problems solved.

This happened to me quite often at endgame dungeons, rarely at earlier dungeons. Even at a boss. Does enmity have anything to do with your weapon level / damage as well? Yesterday, I kept losing hate to a bard with Ifrit weapon, while I had only Aeolian Scimitar.

I wonder why Fast Blade does not have enmity generation.

One important thing to remember is that you don't have to hit your second target with all steps of your enmity combo before moving on to your next target. Here's what I do. When I can leave the main mob and establish enmity on the other two, I'll throw out step 1 of the combo on the main mob (mob A), step 2 on mob B, and step 3 on mob C. If I need to build enmity on the main mob again, I will do that at this point. Otherwise, when I go to build enmity on the additional mobs again, I'll do step 1 on the main mob (mob A), step 2 on mob C, and step 3 on mob B. Remember that step 2 doesn't build as much enmity as step 3, so I never hit secondary targets with the same step. This equalizes enmity between your additional targets.

Why not just combo them 1-3 in one go before switching to the next mob? This builds enmity on more than one target per combo to prevent mobs from running off quickly, and by the time you've landed your two combos, you have the same amount of enmity between them that you would if you were just single targeting them per combo.

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This happened to me quite often at endgame dungeons, rarely at earlier dungeons. Even at a boss. Does enmity have anything to do with your weapon level / damage as well? Yesterday, I kept losing hate to a bard with Ifrit weapon, while I had only Aeolian Scimitar.

I wonder why Fast Blade does not have enmity generation.

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Enmity is a product of your damage. More damage, more enmity. Damaging abilities that generate additional enmity + better damage from a better sword = more enmity.

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I just got pld and did a AK run today with average lvl 60 gear. Im a really new tank, i feel like really hard to keep multi target hate

Second and third mob either keep running to healer, or when i try to rotate comb on them, first mob run to dd, :(

Can any exp tank post their best way to tank multi target, help out a new tank please!!!!!!


Thank u all

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AOE Tanking and Chain Pulling - Dungeon crawling through AK. Tank 8+ mobs, mention halone splitting which is not found in this guide, as well as resource management.

This was taken from my guide at http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Compendium-2.0

Sometimes you will also have a WHM that pulls a ton of enmity from over-heals, and two very good DPS classes that don't manage enmity perfectly. I like this simple combo, a Variation of what some others have been saying. Also I just wanted to note that there is a 1.5s internal cooldown timer on EVERYTHING (even off-GCD stuff), so popping 2 off-GCD abilities in a row is kind of a waste. You could slot in a more powerful GCD abilities between them to maximize efficiency, as such:

Flash (GCD Invoked, 1)
Circle of Scorn
Flash (GCD Invoked, 2)
Spirits Within T1
Flash (GCD Invoked, 3)
Fast Blade T1 (GCD Invoked, 4)
Apply Enmity as needed.

I start off almost every fight I can with that combo, as it is a generous enmity lead on all targets within 3 GCDs

Lol i love it Tank strats huh. gues ill throw mine in 2 lol. Well mines similar 2 the others. i start by running to the center of the mob n flash once or twice. u wanna try n get em all with flash so the emnity stays somewhat even between the targets. then usually its common knowledge certain enemies come first especially in ak. ill hit the first enemy with FB thn switch to the second for SB n back to the first for ROH. then hit the first with FB 2nd SB n 3rd ROH. n repeat while constantly cycling targets checking emnity. tho a few variables always come into play. things like classes in the group. enemy types n player slip ups like aggroing 6 or 7 enemies lol.

4 the first variable if u find yourself in a party with 2 bards youll find they grab a TON of emnity. if u feel overwhelmed there r solutions. 1. ask them 2 plz attack the same target. with their aoe's n attacking the different targets things can get out of hand quickly ( this applies 2 all grps bards r just my example ). 2. at the beggining of ak u run into 3 grps that have a summoner. he's usually 1st priority witch means he gets dropped fast. u should run flash the grp stun the summoner thn leave him to the dps. this gives u time 2 get at least 1 combo on each of the othertargets building emnity.

3. sometimes mistakes happen n u pull more targets thn your use 2 dealing with n ypur looking at a wipe. this is wen u test your tanking metal. u get in the middle of em n spam flash 4 or more times then cycle thru n find who ur dps is after n get a good combo n a half in. your healers gnna be getting emnity so keep cycling thru n keep em in check. n forget rampart here its not enough go str8 to sentinel. wen u see a targets almost down 4get it n build emnity on another. if 1 starts running of use provoke shield lob n combo thn keep rotating.
phew lol.. n thats my guide 2 emnity controll the rest is up 2 u n practicing every1s strat n getting that expirience. Also i left out COS n SW but those r things u should use anytime their rdy their great fillers n the sooner u use the sooner they'll cooldown n u can use em again lol GL :)

1. Get a decent weapon. Str/Det/Crit help too, but not enough to be worthwhile usually. I've successfully tanked with ilvl 55 GC weapon vs. DPS in party with ilvl 90 weapons. But that's difficult.

2. Balance single target agro with AoE agro. FB/SB/RoH is your best single target. Flash/CoS for AoE.

I see a lot of variations in exact application, and it may vary by group. If your group wants to DoT all the mobs or cast AoE dmg, then you should be all Flash/CoS until way ahead on agro. (After that it doesn't matter, so might as well do a tiny bit of actual damage)

Personally, my typical sequence goes like this (weave in off-GCD abilities as you like, not listing here. Spirits Within builds some hate):
- Shield Lob
- Flash
- Circle of Scorn
- Flash
- Fast Blade main target
- Savage Blade main target
- Rage of Halone main target

You might notice above that someone put 3 Flashes in -- this could be fine, but if single target DPS is good you need to combo as fast as possible. On the other hand, 1 Flash is NOT enough. Ran a dungeon recently with a tank that wanted to do that -- healer was consistently taking hits from 2nd/3rd before 1st mob half dead. Yeah, don't be that tank.

TL;DR: If healer getting hit, Flash more. If single target DPS taking agro, switch from Flash to enmity combo faster.

Depending on the range I'm trying to pull from

Tomahawk (Provoke if out of range, than Tomahawk as the pack approaches) (mark 1 if you have to)
Flash
Butchers Block Combo
Flash
Butchers Block Combo (cycle through adds, and hit one of them with a +enmity attack if you are not at least half a bar above the next person down)
Butchers Block Combo (cycle through adds, and hit one of them with a +enmity attack if you are not at least half a bar above the next person down)
Butchers Block Combo (mark target 2)

no it isn't the highest DPS option for warrior, although it does allow you to set solid hate for the first, and second targets.

What I like to do is, first of all mark mobs if your not.

This is what I do;
1. Shield lob 1
2. Circle of Scorn
3. Flash
4. Start combo on 1
5. After Rage of Halone flash again
6. Combo to flash again

After this I tab through targets checking which mob I'm about to lose to aoe'er (like smn, brd, etc) and just throw a random combo on them.

wow. there r so many different combs and way to hold hate. :) thanks guys

what if your only level 25 gladiator and never played a game like this before and started in march this year and never gotten a handbook for noobs for a game like this how would you go about it also i cannot find a handbook for that online?

Above
Shield Lob
While walking to the mobs flash.
Group them together while Flashing.
Once grouped, spam flash till 30-40% mp.
Start single target with Fast blade>riot blade>flash(weaving fight or flight in between+one of your defensive cooldown)

OT
PLD
While approaching the group
Shield lob
while walking towards the group(you will see mobs coming closer to each other after the first on gets aggro on you,with enough practice, you will know what is a good distance to use flash)
While grouping them together,Use flash while weaving a defensive cooldown like rampart and once they are close enough do FoF>Flash>Scorn to make sure you hit them all.
When MP gets to 50%, make sure to position enemies during your flashing phase, for either aoe burning or giving the melee dps the exposed backs for them.

Once done that, start your single target rotation by rotating enemies every 2 hits(fast & savage then halone another one).
Make sure to throw flash here and there.

If you're tanking 3 mobs that do physical damage, you may not want to keep using Rage of Halone on the main target if you don't need to, to keep aggro on it. Keep in mind, Rage of Halone grants a debuff that reduces your targets STR by 10%, therefore reducing the damage done to you, ergo increasing your mitigation.

If you can keep that debuff up on multiple mobs, WHILE keeping hate on everything, it will help a lot when tanking them. The debuff itself lasts for 20 seconds, so it's very easy to keep up on three mobs once you get a solid hate built up.

If your talking big pulls like BL hard really all you can do is flash and cos. if it's 3 mobs I typically double flash, cos, then do my roh rotation but swap mobs as you go. 1st and 2nd attack same mob, tab target, roh different mob, tab, reappeat.

With the way targeting works you should tab in the same mob till you have gone through them all.

Also don't forget to mark a mob so your dps stay instead of following your target.