Increase the amount of tomes

Keep Dungeon the same as it is but just give tome increase to players that clear enemies.

So something like:
AK you give 80~120 Phil/40 myth
CM: 100~170 Phil (10 extra points if they kill the group of mobs standing infront of boss room) (Extra points if they clear monsters that run away after turning off alarm.)
Praetorium 100~140 Phil

What they need to do is to revise dungeon from level 32 - 47 to drop tomes when you are level 50 synching down to do these dungeons. Let's face it - tome farming is a form of grinding. If you play this type of game you must be ok with grinding, and most people are fine with it when they have more than ONE optimal options for grinding. The level 50 grind are basically two dungeons for philosophy and one for mythology, that is all.... By letting lower level dungeons drop same amount of tomes, you have more options. Typically you dont really speed running the lower level dungeons much, and they pretty much takes just about the same time as the level 50. Why not let tomes drop so more people will synch down and do the lower lvls dungeon run.

If they make those level 32-47 start to drop tomes, more people at lower lvls will go do dungeons than just spam FATE. Even if they get reduced amount compare to lvl 50 who synched down. Since lower levels get xp they can use now, while lvl 50 synched just there to farm tomes.

They should give 20 extra tomestones if you watch every cutscene!

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Originally Posted by Venat

Keep Dungeon the same as it is but just give tome increase to players that clear enemies.

So something like:
AK you give 80~120 Phil/40 myth
CM: 100~170 Phil (10 extra points if they kill the group of mobs standing infront of boss room) (Extra points if they clear monsters that run away after turning off alarm.)
Praetorium 100~140 Phil

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I know you're kind of player that is allergic to wasting time and want things done as fast as possible, but things are fine as it is. Frankly I feel people are getting too much tomes too fast.

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Originally Posted by MomoOG

They should give 20 extra tomestones if you watch every cutscene!

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But then people will complain that they're being "FORCED" to watch them.

They need hard mode prae and ak. It cant be too hard to create an extra step of challenge for an existing content. It would award more tomes so you dont get burned out doing AK 8 times a week, maybe just 2 or 3 times lol. Would be harder to speed run it at current gear levels so you would have to actually do the dungeon.

Also current hard mode primal battles need to have a severe increase in their drop rate of tomes since that is a viable alternative to dungeons. Could easily add a lockout timer to them also so you cant do it back to back. Say 60 mins or so.

Yes primal hard mode should have at least 30 philosophy and 10 mythology dropped from it. Just put 20 mnts timer to it to pad out the extra time so people cannot do it back to back. As DPS you will have to wait that long or more anyway. They seriously need 3 more dungeons variations to AK mythology viable method of farm. At bare minimum 3-4 ways to farm philosopy for 100 drops, 3 ways to farm philosophy at 50 drops (just add Aurum Vale and Dzaemel Darkhold in this category), and 2 more ways to farm 40 mythology other than AK run.

To me it would be good if...

Primals

Ifrit hm=40 phil+10 myth
Garuda hm=60 phil+20 myth
Titan hm=80 phil+30 myth

Ak=50 myth

Wanderer's palace should have a Tonberry Minion lol (Unaware if it does already, not sure)

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

Yes primal hard mode should have at least 30 philosophy and 10 mythology dropped from it. Just put 20 mnts timer to it to pad out the extra time so people cannot do it back to back.

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So people having to do Titan several times in order to get their relic are going to be additionally punished with 20 minute wait times? That doesn't seem fair at all.

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Originally Posted by Gaddes

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Yes primal hard mode should have at least 30 philosophy and 10 mythology dropped from it. Just put 20 mnts timer to it to pad out the extra time so people cannot do it back to back.

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So people having to do Titan several times in order to get their relic are going to be additionally punished with 20 minute wait times? That doesn't seem fair at all.

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I agree with Gaddes, however..

They could make it so that such reward was only available when you used the random aspect of the duty finder and queued in a group no larger than four. Then relic'd people would have incentive to go back and do them again to help people get their Garuda weapons / relics.

Not saying anything about adding a 20 minute buffer, because that's just silly.

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Originally Posted by Suirieko

I know you're kind of player that is allergic to wasting time and want things done as fast as possible, but things are fine as it is. Frankly I feel people are getting too much tomes too fast.

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Yeah, because having to take 5+ months just to complete the full set of AF2 gear is far too fast. Are you kidding me? We're capped at 300 a week and can't even buy the shittiest piece of gear until the following week. Are you telling me it's asking too much for them to bump it up to say... 500 instead?

At least that way... You could buy one accessory a week or save your tomes and buy a body piece or whatever in the following week. As it stands, we have to wait TWO weeks just to obtain one piece. Some pieces take even three weeks or longer to obtain.

Honestly, the players who weren't able to grind AK, CM, etc. before the cap was put in place are just getting the short end of the stick here while the gap between these players and those who have had full AF2 gear for over a month increases.

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Originally Posted by TetsuyaHikari

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Honestly, the players who weren't able to grind AK, CM, etc. before the cap was put in place are just getting the short end of the stick here while the gap between these players and those who have had full AF2 gear for over a month increases.

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But if there was no cap every hardcore Tom Dick and Harry would now be in full Ilvl90 gear by now. Now this is a huge gap between hardcore and casuals.

How about make there Bonus content in Dungeons. Wanders Palace I wanna be able to take those Giant Tonberrys down.

CM they could make the map bit bigger. Add Doom Train in it also.

Praetorium they just need to add more floor space on the basement.

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Originally Posted by Venat

How about make there Bonus content in Dungeons. Wanders Palace I wanna be able to take those Giant Tonberrys down.

CM they could make the map bit bigger. Add Doom Train in it also.

Praetorium they just need to add more floor space on the basement.

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Why do I have the feeling the 2 HM dungeons coming with 2.1 will be CM & AK, nothing has changed but enemies have more HP...that would totally suck!

The new dungeon better award Myth tomes though, as well as the 2 HM and several others!

I don't care about increasing tomes. I just want CM to be deleted and all records of its existence to be forever wiped. Zergfest with horribly boring cannon mechanic that doesn't even feel like your playing an MMO should not have been the design of the most efficent philosophy tomestone dungeon.

I'm fine w/ the amount given, however, they should increase the cap on mythology per week.

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Originally Posted by Maplekoya

But if there was no cap every hardcore Tom Dick and Harry would now be in full Ilvl90 gear by now. Now this is a huge gap between hardcore and casuals.

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And this is a problem why exactly? Let the player govern how they progress. This is just fatigue 2.0. They're bottlenecking our progression with this silly tome restriction, yet we already have players walking around in full AF2 gear because they were able to grind AK before the cap was put in place.

Now, if you think that's fair, then I'm afraid of what else you believe this game has done which constitutes as fair also, despite it crippling a lot of its players (see: innocent players having their gil taken and/or accounts banned/suspended based on suspicions).

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Originally Posted by MomoOG

I don't care about increasing tomes. I just want CM to be deleted and all records of its existence to be forever wiped. Zergfest with horribly boring cannon mechanic that doesn't even feel like your playing an MMO should not have been the design of the most efficent philosophy tomestone dungeon.

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It's a story dungeon so it's unlikely to get removed. But the tombstones for completion between dungeons is way out of wack. CM giving 100, but WP giving like only 60-80. WP difficulty over CM should make CM the better spot for tombstones, but I guess the fact it drops item level 55 gear makes up for it. And IMO this does not make me see that CM should have a higher tombstone rate cause you're not even guaranteed a piece of gear unless you're the only one able to need the gear.

Nah decrease it even more.