2.1 adding 'Average Item Level' Requirements for dungeons / Primals...

My Average Item Level (AIL) is currently 64.1rep6.

I have equipped:
Ifrit spear
Peltast Hem
Heiratos Mail
Heiratos Gloves
Peltast Belt
Heiratos Greeves
Heiratos Boots
Darklight Choker
Darklight Earrings
Darklight Bracelet
Darklight Rings x 2

I wonder what the AIL will be for the Extremes, the Hard Mode Dungeons, and The Crystal Tower (and Coil).

Uh, okay. Yes, I'm sure many of us wonder that too.

Depends really, hopefully SE will use the entry requirements on the bare minimum to effectively complete the instance. Meaning you could get into CM, Praetorium, and WP (maybe Ifrit and Chimera too) with questing gear and maybe full AF.

Next tier would be AK and definitely Ifrit and Chimera.

Then Garuda and Hydra.

Then Titan (also CT from what I've read).

Then BCoB and the new primal extreme instances.

Of course this is purely logical assumption since SE could take this any number of different ways.

Probably something like

Ifrit - 45
Wander's Palace 45
Keep - 50
Garuda - 55
Titan - 60
Crystal Tower - 70
Extreme Primal - 80

I think -no, I'm pretty sure- that the IL required by the DF will be way, way lower than what people is asking now.

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Originally Posted by Fuz

I think -no, I'm pretty sure- that the IL required by the DF will be way, way lower than what people is asking now.

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Yea if you use WoW dungeon finder as an example they usually let you attempt stuff with like gear 20 item levels lower then what the zone drops, which is a lot lower then what players would ask for if making their own group. In MMOs they let you try with some lower level gear then what people want, but it keeps out that guy wearing like horribly bad low level leveling gear.

Just to point out, I'm thinking the item level calculation isn't going to be a straight average. Won't be surprised if some slots are weighted more than other slots for your final iLevel score.

I hope they won't count each slot equally.

Example:
"iLevel 70 weapon + iLevel 30 ring" should not equal to "iLevel 30 weapon + iLevel 70 ring"

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Probably something like

Ifrit - 45
Wander's Palace 45
Keep - 50
Garuda - 55
Titan - 60
Crystal Tower - 70
Extreme Primal - 80

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This is probably close to reality considering the adjustments in difficulty to the Hard Mode Primals. I'm quite sure elitists will be more than a bit disappointed that 1) their gear discrimination will have been proven unjustifiable and 2) their absurd talking points about players in Artifact gear and level 20+accessories will have been erased.

It's mentioned in an interview that they are considering that Crystal Tower will require a relic.

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Originally Posted by Ladon

Just to point out, I'm thinking the item level calculation isn't going to be a straight average. Won't be surprised if some slots are weighted more than other slots for your final iLevel score.

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It can be just minimum level of items equipped calculation (remember level 5 storyline quest? equip level 5 head, top, bottom, gloves and boots, as i remember.)

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Probably something like

Keep - 50

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There's no way they can make AK 50, most people get the GC weapon as their first lvl 50 weapon and in order to get that you need to beat AK w/out it first.

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Originally Posted by Suirieko

It's mentioned in an interview that they are considering that Crystal Tower will require a relic.

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Right, and that's to compensate for lower IL on other items.

Pro tip: Trade in Tombstone of Philosophy for 1 Dark Light Accessory and wear an unfinished Relic weapon: instant i60 average! Switch to all crafting gear when you get in for maximum spiritbinding profit!

yeah jewelry is an issue IMO, some 55 HQ crafted is better than dark light when materia slotted properly.

Jewelry might not even factor in, or might be weighed much lower. People spiritbonding crafting gear (making the slot essentially empty) is testament to the fact that it doesn't have as much weight as the community likes to think.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Probably something like

Ifrit - 45
Wander's Palace 45
Keep - 50
Garuda - 55
Titan - 60
Crystal Tower - 70
Extreme Primal - 80

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80 seems a bit high. Especially if they only drop 100 phil for 2 people (based on 1.0 information).

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Originally Posted by Hayward

This is probably close to reality considering the adjustments in difficulty to the Hard Mode Primals. I'm quite sure elitists will be more than a bit disappointed that 1) their gear discrimination will have been proven unjustifiable and 2) their absurd talking points about players in Artifact gear and level 20+accessories will have been erased.

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Just because SE might set the requirements low, doesn't mean a full group with the bare minimum would be able to down it. Not as a pug anyways. World class players will always down content with minimal gear, and I can guarantee you won't be playing with them in duty finder nor a pug you may join in Mor Dhona.

So yes, gear discrimination will still be 100% justifiable, as the people who set those standards understand that you can't kill bosses with happiness and friendship alone.

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Originally Posted by Johnist

My Average Item Level (AIL) is currently 64.1rep6.

I have equipped:
Ifrit spear
Peltast Hem
Heiratos Mail
Heiratos Gloves
Peltast Belt
Heiratos Greeves
Heiratos Boots
Darklight Choker
Darklight Earrings
Darklight Bracelet
Darklight Rings x 2

I wonder what the AIL will be for the Extremes, the Hard Mode Dungeons, and The Crystal Tower (and Coil).

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prob ilvl 70 which no one has an excuse of not being able to obtain darklight. also crystal tower will require u to have completed a relic quest.