Question about CM and Sleep

Hello I was just wondering if sleeping all the mobs before heading into the boss area and locking them out is a bannable offence? I am hearing two different things some people say its fine and other people say its bannable can a GM rep give a confirmation about this? I do not want my account banned because of this.

Using game mechanics to circumvent other game mechanics is a possibility of ban. The intent of the lockout is to prevent zerging of bosses. So using it to circumvent the monster aggro could be considered exploit behavior. However, I don't know if they are going to go out of their way right now to police it.

Ok so basically it is bannable but they aren't policing it thanks for the info!

That doesn't give you the green light to do it... They stated previously that doing anything that is not intended in game play is bannable and skipping mobs would definitely be one of those... If you don't want to get banned you may want to watch your steps and play as intended... This also included attacking a monster that is frozen and can't fight back ect...

Bannable? Yes. Will you get banned for it? Probably not.

There's also a good chance this will be 'fixed' soon.

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Originally Posted by Vonleo

Hello I was just wondering if sleeping all the mobs before heading into the boss area ...

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Based on experience in other games, if you're not doing something that actually exploits a bug, it's not bannable. However the company reserves the right to nerf tactics that were not the developers intention. For example
- There is a high spot in Qarn's first boss room
- Chimera freezing, this is an exploit and bannable.
- Players farming Dark Devices Act I by not killing the correct mobs until 1 minute is left.
- SE has made AK harder by preventing skipping the mobs a certain way. They've put a notice out today about "Fixing" this in other level 50 dungeons.

If you sleep a group of mobs right in front of a teleporter and run past it, it's not that different from doing the same thing anywhere else on the field (like running into Natalan to get your relic weapon part, or running through FATE's) Who knows SE might change their mind.

I just wanted to know if it was bannable just to make it clear i leave groups that say they are doing this "trick" before we enter the dungeon.

idk how using a spell...and just running thru them is bannable seems stupid

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

like running into Natalan to get your relic weapon part, or running through FATE's

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Yeah, not sure how that's an exploit at all, considering that's one of the reasons for the spell's existence. Hell, there's a thau class quest which teaches you to do this. you don't need to fight every MOB on the map to get to your relic part. if you had to, then 90% of players would get banned for purposely navigating around aggressive MOBs instead of fighting them all.

If that's a bannable offense then everyone in FFXI would have been banned lol Sleeping mobs and running is a well loved tactic in MOST of FFXI's content

The Sleep spell seems to be working as intended... Move along.

Some people see exploits everywhere, it seems that everything that didnt occur to them is an exploit.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

- Players farming Dark Devices Act I by not killing the correct mobs until 1 minute is left.
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This is NOT an exploit, said so by a CM.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Hello,

Since there seems to be a lot of questions and concerns as to whether this is an exploit, I wanted to clarify that the way this FATE functions as well as others similar to it are working as intended and it is not an exploit.

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Hmm see this is the problem not sure if it is or not....

This would fall under a speed run tactic and not a bannable offense. They could technically still ban you, but how is this any different from AK speed run? Instead of Raise, you are using sleep. They will most likely lockdown CM like they did AK.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

- SE has made AK harder by preventing skipping the mobs a certain way. They've put a notice out today about "Fixing" this in other level 50 dungeons.

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Would you by any chance have a link regarding this? Anything else mentioned?

EDIT: NVM founded it. I am not 100% convinced they will be shutting down speed runs. And I have noticed that it is still some what possible to speed run AK.

still no update from a gm?

No, it's not bannable, it's an intended game mechanic otherwise the mobs wouldn't be able to be slept to begin with.

People really need to learn what the hell an exploit is.

I'm not sure how in the world this would give a person a ban. Prae speed run is skipping a bunch of mobs too, done every speed run. Sleeping mobs and running across them is part of the game.. surely you'd think if it "wasn't intent" something as simple as this wouldn't be over looked by the dev team (i.e. immunity to sleep).

I thought the mobs just followed you into the boss area? This isn't the case?

Sleep has one and only one function, making enemys unable to move. Why the hell would it be an exploit to use the spell for the very function it was designed?

Following that train of thought pulling enemys away from mobs to kill them one by one is also an exploit, the skill you use to attract them are designed to deal dmg or tank them so... EXPLOIT!

One of the first Black Mage job quests has you sleep mobs to run past them and achieve an objective.

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hmm interesting

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Originally Posted by C-croft

I am not 100% convinced they will be shutting down speed runs.

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I didn't read it as them saying they were going to prevent speed runs, rather they're looking into ways to make it more worthwhile to fight trash mobs.

Mobs drop a random number of tomes sounds nice :)

Sleeping the mobs and running by them is not an exploit per se, Sleeping the mobs, and then using the room lockout to not ever have to face the aggro of the monsters is an exploit.

I don't see anything wrong with sleeping mobs to pass them. You're simply using your class-earned abilities to surpass the dungeon. It's not different than in FFXI when we used to use invis to bypass mobs.

Wait so sleeping mobs and fighting bosses in content you have to repeat 4354357348979832423 times to get your Darklight gear to go into Bahamut's Coil is a ban-able offense?

Yet in town, outside of town, in whisper, I get all sorts of RMT advertisements and jack shit is done about that?

I guarantee you that you could exploit all you want in dungeons / in game and nothing would ever be done about it or to you if they didn't know about it. SE are blind as bats when it comes to actual issues with their game...