Execution Order & Hold the line

OK keep the WAR like this ( like SE need it ) BUT ADD THIS..
1-Execution Order: WAR loses 25% from HP and 25% from DEF and add 30% attack damage and +10%critical strike (on going)
this way WAR will be good in any party so the VIT in duty finder thing will not be affected
2-Hold the line : reduce damage taken by 20% and add 20% Parrying and loses 20% attack damage and -10%critical strike (on going)
this way he can tank better

and for PLD : plz make cure more affected :(

what you think about this ? :)

this is a good idea! how about adding a skill that will make war have +50% atk/-50% def in 10 seconds?

where is everyone guys ^^: tell what you think ?

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Originally Posted by Vamp007

OK keep the WAR like this ( like SE need it ) BUT ADD THIS..
1-Execution Order: WAR loses 25% from HP and 25% from DEF and add 30% attack damage and +10%critical strike (on going)
this way WAR will be good in any party so the VIT in duty finder thing will not be affected
2-Hold the line : reduce damage taken by 20% and add 20% Parrying and loses 20% attack damage and -10%critical strike (on going)
this way he can tank better

and for PLD : plz make cure more affected :(

what you think about this ? :)

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1. The Warrior is a tank, not a DPS, not an Off-Tank, there is no reason to have a stance like this.

2. All this is is a buffed version of shield oath, if I wanted to have Paladin-like buffs, I would be a Paladin. This would also make defiance pointless.

Juggling 3 stance (2 of which fill the same role only one does a vastly better job over the other) will not fix the issues Warrior is facing right now.

yes bro >.> i need buff to WAR
buff not nerf he need 1 and i say what i think it will make war better
but about PLD he is the king >>> and the best in tank area all he need is some cure buff

PLD's Shield Oath reduces damage by 20% which scales as you play harder content. I.e. You get hit harder but you mitigate more.

WAR on the other hand doesn't scale. The amount you self heal is the same for easier content. So what needs changed?

Probably better scaling the self healing to keep the Warrior tanking method. Problem is how would you do that?

Maybe The % of damage parried will be healed with defiance? Which doesn't sound like much but in theory it doubles your parry strength while linking it to the warrior style or tanking.

Healing buff with wrath should maybe be static with defiance?

Or create a "Rage" stack - when you are hit with critical damage these stacks which can be used to increase healing power from actions. I.e 1 stack increases Inner beast and Bloodbath by 10% 2 stacks 20% ... 5 stacks 50%.

Just some thoughts =]

Having not played a warrior at all but after tanking coil with a warrior co tank I do find even though he has better gear than me he gets hit like a semi

I think to make warriors scale a bit better they need a buff on their self heals this may sound kind of death knightish from wow but the self healing they do should be increased based upon how much damage they took in the past 5 or so seconds. And any over healing they do should be translated into a shield. Since warriors seem to be about spilling blood I would call it blood shield. Then give them a trait that when they use blood bath they also gain a shield along with the healing they did. This would make blood bath a useful skill. Finally I think they should get a parry buff ability since they are about parrying.

I think these buffs would bring the warrior more in line with plds while keeping true to the warriors form of being berserk yet calculating masters of the battle field.

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Originally Posted by James1213

Finally I think they should get a parry buff ability since they are about parrying.

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One change I'd like to see would be to change our cross class with PGL to LNC, and make Life Surge cross classable at the very least with WAR. Keen Flurry would give us a more reliable defensive cooldown over Featherfoot(as our parry rate is much better than our dodge), and Life Sure would be a decent trade for Inner Release. And of course Invigorate has tons of potential uses, but the possible synergy with the TP starving Overpower would probably be one of the biggest. If they ever make Storm's Path actually worth using the increased TP of our rotations could be countered here too.

Simple change, just make all our heals based on % of our HP.

Inner Beast heals for 30% of max HP.
Bloodbath procs heal for 3% of max hp per hit.
Storm's Path can either heal for 5% of max HP, or just reset the cooldown of Bloodbath. I'd prefer it to reset cooldown personally.

Remove the Damage reduction on Shield Oath, and make it improved Block Rate/Strength instead.

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Originally Posted by Kal-El

PLD's Shield Oath reduces damage by 20% which scales as you play harder content. I.e. You get hit harder but you mitigate more.

WAR on the other hand doesn't scale. The amount you self heal is the same for easier content. So what needs changed?

Probably better scaling the self healing to keep the Warrior tanking method. Problem is how would you do that?

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Simple. Warrior abilities just need a small static healing component, and a dynamic restoration heal based on damage taken. For example:

Inner Beast will heal 100% of damage done, down from 300%. But additionally, Inner Beast will also heal, say, 40% of damage taken in the last 5 seconds (2 GCDs to allow time to react).

Obviously, these numbers are not final and can be tweaked, but the idea is there.

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Originally Posted by Paikis

Simple change, just make all our heals based on % of our HP.

Inner Beast heals for 30% of max HP.
Bloodbath procs heal for 3% of max hp per hit.
Storm's Path can either heal for 5% of max HP, or just reset the cooldown of Bloodbath. I'd prefer it to reset cooldown personally.

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How would that help anything? That is still a static mitigation that scales with warrior stats and not mob damage.. It would be the exact same thing as it is right now, just based off of max hp rather than damage.