I have full DL, Garduda's scream and AF+1 chest, and Titan does the mountain buster about every 45 - 60 seconds on phase 5, while my main mitigation sill, Foresight works only every 90 sec, I'm alternating it with thrill of battle + featherfoot, still if I'm not fully healed by that point I usually die.
Any tips to counter this or do it better?
No, I won't play as a PLD as I want my relic on WAR.
Tanking tips fro warrior on titan HM
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10-09-2013, 12:55 AMDannythmTanking tips fro warrior on titan HM
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10-09-2013, 12:59 AMPessimiStick
Cross your fingers and hope your healers own, like every WAR.
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10-09-2013, 01:01 AMDannythmNothing I can do better to ease their task?Quote:
Originally Posted by PessimiStick
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10-09-2013, 01:03 AMCessna
Your healers will have to be REALLY up to the task, most aren't.
What will help is if you have some sort of communication as when the Mt buster will come. Mt buster is usually proceeded by Rockbuster a 2k hit. So when you see that attack, pop a inner beast if you aren't topped off already, hopefully that will be enough. Mt buster also follows the bombs. There's a vid of the rotation, so copy that vid down and have somebody else in the party create the macro and use it, and especially use the macro when a upcoming MT buster is coming. -
10-09-2013, 01:03 AMDerzaI had to form my own party and go as dps to get mine done.. was next to impossible to get people to even try with a warrior tank. I ended up getting all str accessories and doing it... Was able to avg 146 dps for the fight with Ifrits axe!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dannythm
You know something is not balanced when the best way to do titan is have a pld tank and warrior dps to complete it.. really hope some things get changed. I made a warrior to tank. I was never even given the chance to TRY to tank it - No one would even let me try - and i was well geared too. -
10-09-2013, 01:08 AMCessna
Yeah, same here, I had to go as a DPS or the off tank spot, The healers just weren't able to keep themselves alive focus on me as a main tank. I made it down to 10% but then the healers began wiping. Same healers did just fine on Paladin fight and one shot titan. Really shows you how gimped we are.
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10-09-2013, 01:17 AMKunkka
If you trust your healers, IB after mountain buster to help them out. If you don't, IB before to top yourself off.
When titan stomps, run behind him so you dont get auto attacked. This makes healing easier on your WHM.
Circle pattern bombs are the only ones you should ever get hit by. If you are going to get hit, just pop your cooldowns and get hit. Berserk and Infuriate are defensive cooldowns.
When titan does the square pattern bombs, dont worry about moving to dodge the explosions until he starts his line attack. Having him farther from the "safe side" makes it easier to everyone else to dodge.
Other than that, it is on your healers to play well. A damage shield does wonders. Asking people nicely to virus, and rain of death could help.
I've 4 manned the fight post heart. Working on 3 manning it. Warrior is a perfectly viable tank for titan and the preferred tank for selling titan runs due to its potential to 3 man the fight while a PLD cannot. -
10-09-2013, 01:22 AMDerzaWhy do you say a pld cannot? I thought warriors only did about 10% more damage in tank stance... How could that make up the difference? where as if a pld is doing it the healer could toss in a bit more dps?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunkka
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10-09-2013, 02:31 AMKryhno
It has already been said but when I tanked Titan Hard Mode on my WAR I brought 3 healers. It was a FC run and everyone knew what they were doing throughout. We wiped a few times due to random dps dying, however no wipe was due to me dying. With 3 healers and me timing thrill of battle and Inner Beast to every mountain buster I could we made it through. Granted it helped immensely that I was able to parry 2 consecutive mountain busters which was pretty epic when the healers were strapped for mana.
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10-09-2013, 02:31 AMKunkkaThe problem is a healer being put in a gaol and wiping you. a pld cant break the gaols fast enough. A warrior has double inner beast up for every gaol. Mind you, this only matters if you're 3-4 manning it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Derza
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10-09-2013, 03:21 AMDannythmHow can you time Thrill of Battle with every mountain buster? The attack happens every ~60 seconds and ToB has a CD of 120 seconds. What do you do on those where ToB was on CD?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kryhno
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10-09-2013, 03:52 AMKoltikBasically this; it will *always* hit after a Rockbuster. Time IB to hit either before or after Mountain Buster (MB). MB hits for 4-4.5k, so if you don't have at least 5K HP within 1-2 seconds after his Rockbuster, you need to IB to live. After that pop Infuriate if it's up, IB again if necessary, but hopefully healers can top you off at that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cessna
If you don't need to use IB pre-MB, then hit it immediately afterwards. -
10-09-2013, 04:23 AMjavid
I have full heavy darksteel. Hq rampager with nq skill speed food it has same 2.40 gcd as the gar scream.I've beaten titan 8 times 6 times standing the whole fight 4 times as main tank. 2 times main tank over pld.
I'm otw to army..so I don't have much time. most important thing to know about the fight is to learn the exact rotation of his move. So youtube that learn the exact rotation. If you have good def you don't need more than 6.6k hp....I've done it start to finish once on 6.2 YES!! More hp is safer BUT not at a high cost to your dmg output bc that's how you generate hate.....healers put out a shitload of hate....
Mages need to conserve mp before phase 5. There is no need for cure 2 unless it's free. Through out fight request regen x2 (or sch stuff) and medica ll x2 the occasional Ss during down time. Now the rest is your job to stay alive.
Read forum for best def cooldown rotation. But I never used more than 2 during a mountain buster anticipated mountain buster. Me I have second wind coval voke featherfeet. Also I have high earth res if I use crag axe and a few meld...I've resisted MB TWICE and countless other moves.
Besides that your positioning is key. You have to be aware of first bomb formation. One so you don't die when you move and second after bomb always come left hand bitch slap. So by that point you have 3 gcd secs to prep for MB.
Create macro to warn your party when stuff are down. Especially berserk pacification....que this at the wrong time and you and party will suffer...can even die......but I save berserk for heart 20 sec before he blows up and after heart right before a MB You have time for pacification then.
Another key don't flinch....I one time had 117 hp after a MB and tumult seq.....keep your plans going trust your healers. Titan isn't too hard if you're good at timing and position. This is why I used skill speed food...once I get bk I'll remeld my gear for speed. Each 9 speed is .1 off gcd. I think we can get down to 2.32 -
10-09-2013, 04:40 AMBayman
People are over dramatic when it comes to the WAR on titan. My group stated that healing me was very easy. These are my tips:
-Mountain Buster comes after two punches, the jab and the hook. I hit my IB right after the hook, and then instantly get my stack back up with infuriate if possible, or I use Conv. Mix this with the following:
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-Featherfoot and ToB.
IMO (and i know the forum warriors are gonna grill me that I use IB during a big hit and not leave my healing %'s up) is that you need HP RIGHT NOW, for MB. Heals will have time to top off before stomp and definitely time before plumes.
Also I have learned to use unchained + zerk for heart phase... makes a big difference and he wont jump away and waist your cd's. Most of the time you will help save the LB as long as you don't get unlucky with with rocks. -
10-09-2013, 04:49 AMSpookyGhost
Stand on the edge of the arena between two bombs (slightly to your left) and you will never get hit by one. You have many cooldowns to deal with every table flip, they're just not as potent as PLD's. IB > Infuriate is obviously a given. If your healers don't have you fully topped off before the flip comes, IB>Infuriate>wait for MB>IB. Then you can either choose to pop Convalescence or build up your Wrath manually (HS>Vengeance>SS>BB>HS>Maim>Storm's Eye) depending on how much your healers have healed you at that point. Thrill of battle works the same as IB, usually used in combination with Convalescence. Keep Featherfoot on cooldown the whole fight as it's not worth the RNG of dodging a flip, but it's nice to have up just incase it does happen. If you're in a desperate situation Berserk>IB>Infuriate>Second Wind (I replaced Flash with Second Wind for this fight as, even though it's minimal recovery, it's better than like... Awareness for this fight). Pop Foresight before the explosion after the heart (every little bit helps) and then again when it's up before a flip.
One of the healers (of the 2) in my first Titan win died right after the final phase started so, trust me, it's possible to mitigate a good amount of damage regularly (decreases as more stomps come, but hopefully your DPS is strong enough to make that a non-issue). Tell your healers to put a Virus on Titan before the flips and if you have a BRD I believe they have a debuff they can put on Titan as well.
Last but not least, buy food. Any extra bit of cushion helps. -
10-09-2013, 04:59 AMjavid
Bomb formation is more dangerous than MB late fight. Each bomb hits for 2.6k ish....so two is a MB plus. Really learn formation s and be ready to drag him across the map. The most dangerous is the circle. You have to move yo the last one and it can appear on the opposite side. Run along the formation direction to get to last bomb and be ready to move over once first blow. Then get ready for rock buster and MB
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10-09-2013, 05:09 AMjavid
For ppl struggling to pass heart.....your pt need learn to save dmg cooldown and max your usuage. You too!! this means to also have your cool downs ready. 5 wrath at start gain hate with one rotation. Then storm eye rotation pop unchained and internal and go hate combo then storm. By then you should have another 5 wrath. Now hit berserk then hit IB then infuriate and IB again. Make sure to sneak in both mercy stroke and brutal swing INBETWEEN GCD don't waste your buffs secs....
My rotation takes 45 sec. You got one more wrath rotation to make an use OR save for MB coming...depends if heart is down. Oh I forgot vegenance ...cut out 2.5 sec -
10-09-2013, 05:13 AMBaymanWhile I think this would work for the clock pattern, I usually nestle into the safe spot and watch the bombs blow up around me. If its the side to side... I run the side to side in the "tank zone". The forward back (where they all drop in yer tank zone), that is the only time I move him to middle. You can actually find the safe zone for all the bombs in the tanking area, I just have a hard time judging 100% of the time where it is besides on the clock pattern.Quote:
Originally Posted by javid
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10-09-2013, 05:26 AMjavid
A good pt was made. During heart tell the first to allllllways get stuck right under the tank. That's the fastest and safest place to get stuck. Also you can help with a steel cyclone or mercy stroke for Hp. On raise tell healers to raise on map edge. RaisEE get up during a rock slide or right after a landing from a jump
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10-09-2013, 05:30 AMMultra
You can dodge all the bombs the same way the rest of the party does. Wait for him to rock buster then move towards the center (if circle formation), to the left or right (if line formation) or stand still if X formation. There is no reason to stand there and eat a bomb or try to find the perfect spot to stand and risk eating 2 bombs.
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10-09-2013, 05:35 AMjavidLook on youtube the circles move closer to edge during phase 5. Can nestle between anymore even with a leg off map. Either run to first or middle and face him away from party bc he will rockbuster soonQuote:
Originally Posted by Bayman
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10-09-2013, 05:41 AMjavid
Remember also his phases are HP dependent.. dps hard and he'll shorten the rotation. I had a relic pt who shorten 3rd to one bomb formation. ...and we still got limited 2 and saved it for raise.........then wiped shortly after....still its some epic shit to see everyone get bk up and try to whip titan ass!!!
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10-09-2013, 05:54 AMBaymanI don't care about the youtube vid. I am telling you what I did last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by javid
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10-09-2013, 06:02 AMjavidMy bad..was js......it's harder to do what ypu did then to do otherwiseQuote:
Originally Posted by Bayman
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10-09-2013, 06:34 AMShougo
I did it today in dutyfinder with 2 warrior tanks I MTed it.
Like people said before he does Mountain buster he always does another smaller attack for like 2k try to heal that one up with Inner beast or even a double IB (use cd), you should always have 5 stacks by then.
Also rotate defensive cds between the mountain busters don't forget to pick up those from pugilist and gla they are a HUGE help. The rest is just doing tactics correctly and hoping your team doesn't suck. -
10-09-2013, 06:43 AMBaymanAgree with you 100%. I felt comfy in the clock pattern as I can gauge it between the two bombs, but not doing it any any of the other patterns.Quote:
Originally Posted by javid
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10-10-2013, 06:32 PMAkiva
What I do when I tank titan:
Use Inner Beast after Rock Buster. With Internal release it can negate Rock buster dmg. (rock buster: 1400-1800, Inner beast heals 1200-1800)
Heart phase I use unchained>infuriate>Inner beast>berserk>vengeance. Good DPS spike.
Post heart: get topped off, use foresight and bloodbath. Healers take care of first mountain buster but foresight helps out. Convalescence and Thrill of Battle for the 2nd mountain buster and rotate like that.
Bombs: Lines, move to last set and make sure you @ the last one in the line. Move after explosion. In circle, tilt camera up so birds eye view move to the edge in between the 2 bombs. If you do this correctly and close enough to edge, bombs will not hit you.
In regards to the rock buster/mountain buster, have inner beast ready for it. Negate rock buster damage and tnfuriate for mountain buster. Usually save infuriate for foresight and bloodbath but you can see how the fight will go.
Hope that helps out.