Prices too high for mats?

I don't know how it is on other servers, but on Besaid I am getting VERY annoyed but people who refuse to sell CUL mats at a decent price. Why should 5 people be selling apples at 5k per apple when the vendor sells them for 1.3k? It's like this with nearly every mat. Onions? 5k. Salt Leeks? 6k. Absurdity

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Originally Posted by JayvirDeforte

I don't know how it is on other servers, but on Besaid I am getting VERY annoyed but people who refuse to sell CUL mats at a decent price. Why should 5 people be selling apples at 5k per apple when the vendor sells them for 1.3k? It's like this with nearly every mat. Onions? 5k. Salt Leeks? 6k. Absurdity

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you notice that too?
Why do you think i posted what I did in our server forums

Sheepskin is almost as bad if not worse, people want 8k+ for them
and thats just what im currently noticing, im sure its bad like that on every server where people are trying to charge more then vendors sell

Carrots and onions are dirt cheap on Figaro, but aldgoat milk is up for 2k (doesn't that only cost 1.4k?). I've been annoyed that many other ingredients (if on the somewhat rare occasion that they are available) go for just slightly lower than the npc pricing, and have been giving my money to npc instead for most ingredients.

A bigger problem with food ingredients is that no one would be interested in keeping, or even getting, the ingredients, resulting in very limited supplies. I don't blame the sellers, though, since logs and stones sell for more for the same space they occupy, and it's a load of trouble to collect them in the first place.

Yeah, just blame it on ignorance. If there was a price history, this problem wouldn't be so bad.

Cooks definitely have it the worst when it comes to mats. Honestly, the best thing to do is level the harvesting classes for your mats. It is what I've been doing. It isn't the fastest method by any means but it sure beats paying for overpriced mats.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

Yeah, just blame it on ignorance. If there was a price history, this problem wouldn't be so bad.

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price history wont stop idiots from posting it higher then vendor

people not knowing that it sells for less at a vendor is the problem(and the fact they arent sure itl even sell so no one posts it)

the problem is there are just not enough DoL going to get the mats for us!! and the mats we get from mobs most people just throw away because they NPC for like 45gil lol its a horrible situation... i am a rank 19 cook and i am realizing REALLLLLLY fast that NO ONE wants to sell me fish so i took up fishing >< (stinks!!) i also have LS mates who are Bots (Bottany) and for the specialty mats like black pepper or mustard i farm them with my MRD. Its a HARD life being a cook... we can't rely on the market economy...

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

price history wont stop idiots from posting it higher then vendor

people not knowing that it sells for less at a vendor is the problem(and the fact they arent sure itl even sell so no one posts it)

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If the price history shows that the last time someone sold an apple it was for 300 gil, and that the average selling price of apples was somewhere around 700 gil, he's not going to list it for the retarded price of 5000 gil.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

If the price history shows that the last time someone sold an apple it was for 300 gil, and that the average selling price of apples was somewhere around 700 gil, he's not going to list it for the retarded price of 5000 gil.

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that doesnt help still
cuz i promise you idiots bought them for 2-5k+
i know on besaid they do cuz i moniter apples sales constantly and they go regardless of price rather quickly

if anything a price history will make more people post them for higher prices

There are more smart people than idiots, so those 2-5k+ purchases show up on the price history as anomalies as the majority of sales will be below the NPC price range. People will know what the fair market value for apples will be due to the easy to understand info of the price history.

look the price of apples i am sure is outrageous so start gathering! lets refrain from calling people idiots, if anything lets call them lazy :p

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

There are more smart people than idiots, so those 2-5k+ purchases show up on the price history as anomalies as the majority of sales will be below the NPC price range. People will know what the fair market value for apples will be due to the easy to understand info of the price history.

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you would think that

but if sellers see that it can sell for 2-5k, theyll try
and then more will see it, and follow suite

why sell it at all for 500-1000 around vendor price when you know people will buy it for 5k

the majority of people buying dont have to be smart
it only takes a few idiots to set the trend(and there are more then enough)

That assumes that most of the buyers are idiots as well and that they don't know that you can buy apples from the NPC for 1.3k.

Most buyers know you can get apples for 1.3k from the NPC, so the majority of the wards sales are not going to be above that price since you actually have to make a sale first before it'll appear on the sale price history.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

That assumes that most of the buyers are idiots as well and that they don't know that you can buy apples from the NPC for 1.3k.

Most buyers know you can get apples for 1.3k from the NPC, so the majority of the wards sales are not going to be above that price since you actually have to make a sale first before it'll appear on the sale price history.

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again, it doesnt take most
it only takes a few

if you got just a handful of people buying up apples at 5k a pop....then they are selling, and sellers will post it at those prices more
and the "majority" of people wanting apples wont see the price they want in the ward and will be forced to the vendor

thats where the problem comes in, and its whats causing the stupid sheepskin prices of 10k the way they are now too

people are willing to buy it at that price, the farmers know for a fact they will even if the vendor sells it for less
so whys hould the seller offer it for less when they know itl sell

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

again, it doesnt take most
it only takes a few

if you got just a handful of people buying up apples at 5k a pop....then they are selling, and sellers will post it at those prices more
and the "majority" of people wanting apples wont see the price they want in the ward and will be forced to the vendor

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If it's just a handful of people buying apples at 5k, then that is an anomaly which will be obvious once you look at the price history. Eventually you will have people buying and selling for the correct price, and that will take hold due to other people being informed by looking at the price history.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

If it's just a handful of people buying apples at 5k, then that is an anomaly which will be obvious once you look at the price history. Eventually you will have people buying and selling for the correct price, and that will take hold due to other people being informed by looking at the price history.

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you underestime the power of the "i need that item now" crowd lol

if you want to do something, and you want it now, you dont wait for the price to be right, if your willing to pay the price, youll pay it

and what happens if the price history is overwhelmed by people buying items for 5k+ each? what then? It will then look like an anomoly that someone was selling them for lower.

Also it is SO easy to rig the price history of an item.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

and what happens if the price history is overwhelmed by people buying items for 5k+ each? what then? It will then look like an anomoly that someone was selling them for lower.

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And what happens if the majority of players in this game aren't as stupid as you think they are and buy apples from the NPC for 1.3k until a buyer with some common sense lists them for 1k in the wards?

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

Also it is SO easy to rig the price history of an item.

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It's not easy to rig the price history if it keeps records as far back as a year and if it lists the names of the buyers and sellers of all transactions.

It's not easy to rig the price history in EVE.

Its going to be hard to sell things for the right price when.... you have people who use a fishing bot then grind alc to 50 by turning fish into shards then they take the shards and sell them in the market. by doing this people can make around 1-7mil of gil a day... so when you make 1-7mil a day it doesn't matter how much you pay for the mats you are going to use to bot your other crafts to 50...

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Originally Posted by Kaisersose

the problem is there are just not enough DoL going to get the mats for us!! and the mats we get from mobs most people just throw away because they NPC for like 45gil lol its a horrible situation... i am a rank 19 cook and i am realizing REALLLLLLY fast that NO ONE wants to sell me fish so i took up fishing >< (stinks!!) i also have LS mates who are Bots (Bottany) and for the specialty mats like black pepper or mustard i farm them with my MRD. Its a HARD life being a cook... we can't rely on the market economy...

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Funny, because it's just the opposite on my server... figured there was a CUL conspiracy where everyone else is a Botanists that don't sell things :P On the plus side people buy my fish like crazy... but, I still can't find most of the mats I need on the market wards... seriously... no one ever sells garlean garlic... so I either have to BTN or put up with NPC prices :(

People pay crazy prices because gil has no value in XIV. It is far too easy to accumulate.

Lvl a gather class or ask any LS mates who gather for freebies or discounted mats. Always check yg before purchasing. I have found that most mats people sell, you can find it way cheaper from an npc.