What class is Thancred? (Spoilers)

He claims to be a bard, but you never actually see him with an instrument. It could be a ruse. In fact when you do see him fight in the r46 Story Quest, he uses small throwing daggers.

We've already seen plenty of the unreleased classes in the game via NPCs: Musketeers, Arcanists, Mystics. There is even apparently a Shephard's Guild in Falcon's Nest.

Could he be another of the unreleased classes, Assassin?

What do you think?

Well, i assume he does is a bard. Specially since he only uses dagger/throwing daggers...Just no idea why he never sung a thing...maybe his instrument is supposed to be the stolen horn that appears during missions.

Its like that monocle lalafat...we assume he is THM, but i don't remember seeing him cast a thing...maybe he actually is a stavesman (one of the classes that was removed from game but that was in alpha)...it would also explain why he has heavy armor equipped.

Honestly, I think he's just a gladiator. Besides saying he's a bard, he hasn't really shown anything specifically that would define him as a bard as opposed to a gladiator. Gladiators use swords and daggers.

Bard is somewhat a main part of the storyline, LL they talk about a horn in gridania the moogles are bards and in Ui'dah that npc we talk about is a Bard with a dagger "but this could be change by SE at anytime"

In the opening movie i remember them saying we should get a bard writ about us or somewhat. So i do say that bard would be adding in this game.

Also bard do use daggers but i can understand how he may not look like a bard because in ffxiv your wep is your class :) maybe he use a dagger but can switch to bard we don't know ;)

It is an interesting question, because you are right.. There's various Guild's for unreleased classes.. There's even characters in the game of an unreleased race. I don't think he plays like a Gladiator, the opening movie shows an Elezen Gladiator, and she's built in heavy armor, a longsword and a shield. Classically Gladiator's thus far in the game are not light cloth armored dagger wielders. Also yes, he claims to be a bard. With the past of the Final Fantasy chain I see no reason to doubt this fact.. Bard will feature sooner or later.

I think he's a bard.

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Originally Posted by Abraxai

It is an interesting question, because you are right.. There's various Guild's for unreleased classes.. There's even characters in the game of an unreleased race. I don't think he plays like a Gladiator, the opening movie shows an Elezen Gladiator, and she's built in heavy armor, a longsword and a shield. Classically Gladiator's thus far in the game are not light cloth armored dagger wielders. Also yes, he claims to be a bard. With the past of the Final Fantasy chain I see no reason to doubt this fact.. Bard will feature sooner or later.

I think he's a bard.

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Very true. In Ul'dah we have that Roe GLA and they don't look nothing alike...not only the weapon but also the armor and even the way he talk is much more like a bard than a GLA. And he aso has one grave characteristic from D&D bards...manipulation of others based on charisma and the way he talks...it was very noticeable when they did Momodi almost weting herself at first mission while talking to him.

I do think we might see him using song abilities very soon...hopefully when companies start going for real ^^

There's an NPC in Ul'dah who refers to juggling. Maybe with all those throwing weapons, he's a juggler?

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Originally Posted by Sholah

There's an NPC in Ul'dah who refers to juggling. Maybe with all those throwing weapons, he's a juggler?

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Now you got a good point! O_O I really didn't think about it, but its perfectly valid. We have a jugler in Ul'dah, harlequin hats, qhich are jugler armor, and they do attack throwing sfuff, do having throwing daggers at their skills list. And seeing the way this game is, its not needed the face painting...can just combo the had and a facemask with clown paining in it.

Very nice observation you did!

Are we playing the same game guys? There is plenty of lighter armor that favors GLA and daggers are most certainly GLA weapons. Have a look at one if you don't want to take my word for it. I promise, I won't be offended. ~.o

I know there is...but the thing is the attitude. When you compare him to GLA from guild and cutscenes you see he doesn't belong to that guild...he's too polite, too full of smiles and sweet talk...a complete fruitcake!

But indeed he can be anything that can throw daggers...including GLA.

The answer is obvious...

He's a womaniser.

Actually I'd say he is a Bard, he has all the charisma for it!

Sounds like job stuff to me. Probably gonna be DNC from PGL and BRD from GLA. I'm excited to see where SE is going with this. Maybe something like this:

PGL: THF, DNC
GLA: BRD, PLD
MRD: DRK, Berserker
LNC: DRG, ???
ARC: RNG, Assassin
CON: Wizard, BLU
THM: Cleric, Necromancer

I hope they include gatherers and crafters in this job thing.

Weapons are specific to class in XIV. Unless Thancred is somehow special (which I admit is not impossible) he is a gladiator since he is using a dagger. That's my take on it.

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Originally Posted by KorPoni

Sounds like job stuff to me. Probably gonna be DNC from PGL and BRD from GLA. I'm excited to see where SE is going with this. Maybe something like this:

PGL: THF, DNC
GLA: BRD, PLD
MRD: DRK, Berserker
LNC: DRG, ???
ARC: RNG, Assassin
CON: Wizard, BLU
THM: Cleric, Necromancer

I hope they include gatherers and crafters in this job thing.

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The job system they are going to implement did not exist at the time Thancred was created.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

The job system they are going to implement did not exist at the time Thancred was created.

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Oh, was going off the speculation alot of people throwing people's names around and corresponding classes.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Weapons are specific to class in XIV. Unless Thancred is somehow special (which I admit is not impossible) he is a gladiator since he is using a dagger. That's my take on it.

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That's not 100% true. weapons are what define classes here, but there isn't only one class for one kind of weapon. You can see CON and THM using the very same weapon type, being only different models. The same would happen to GLA...GLA has its own swords, but still we can have a blue mage having its own sabers, thiefs and jugglers having their own knives, red mages and fencers having their own rapiers, etc. They all would be at sword group, but not at "Gladiator's Arm" group.

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Originally Posted by Lienn

That's not 100% true. weapons are what define classes here, but there isn't only one class for one kind of weapon. You can see CON and THM using the very same weapon type, being only different models. The same would happen to GLA...GLA has its own swords, but still we can have a blue mage having its own sabers, thiefs and jugglers having their own knives, red mages and fencers having their own rapiers, etc. They all would be at sword group, but not at "Gladiator's Arm" group.

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Conjurers use wands and radials. Thaums use scepters and staves. Not the same at all.

bards use daggers as "weapons"

Paper Knife
(Dagger) All Races
DMG:15 DLY:195
AGI+2 CHR+2
Lv.40 BRD

Artifact weapon for bard :P

Combat Skill/Skill Rating
Dagger/B-
Staff / C+
Sword / C-
Club / D

You're using a reference from XI to discuss something in XIV? For why? What is in XI is completely irrelevant to XIV.

i always thought he was there to encourage people to build their own class and call it whatever they like. learn some cnj, some thm and some gla and call yourself a bard. armory system'd.

Just because a Bard uses a dagger, does make it their weapon of choice.

Actually, a Bards weapon of choice traditionally has always been a harp or other musical instrument as far as I can remember.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Conjurers use wands and radials. Thaums use scepters and staves. Not the same at all.

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They are the same...wands, cudgels, scepters, maces...they're all at "club" group. Radials, staves, canes, poles...they're all at "staff" group

Its exactly like i said...a saber, a rapier, a knife and a longsword are different weapons, but they're all at "sword" group.

At alpha we had shepherds using axe, stavesman using poles and fencers using rapiers...unfortunately i lost the alpha class list link to post here. :/

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Originally Posted by Meridian

Just because a Bard uses a dagger, does make it their weapon of choice.

Actually, a Bards weapon of choice traditionally has always been a harp or other musical instrument as far as I can remember.

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That's correct. Its very possible that bards here use an instrument as main weapon...that's why i don't really believe he's bard...IMO juggler is more like him.

Here the image: http://i.imgur.com/AStLh.png

The point I'm trying to make is that while yes, a staff and a radial are just long sticks, they are different in FFXIV's eyes. And that difference is very important. In the same light, the weapon Thancred is using is not a dirk or a knife or a shiv, it is a dagger. That is why I believe he is just a gladiator since in this game the weapon you use dictates your class. Dagger users in XIV = Gladiators, so sayeth the XIV development team.

Also, none of those classes you mention were actually in the game during the alpha test. I know because I was there. There was a leaked document with planned classes and that is probably what you are referring to. The shepherd's weapon type on that list was listed as "Herding" not axe. But either way, the game makes a clear distinction between a radial and a staff, or a dagger and a knife (should one ever be implemented), due to how the classes system is set up and therefore so should we all.

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Originally Posted by Rhen

i always thought he was there to encourage people to build their own class and call it whatever they like. learn some cnj, some thm and some gla and call yourself a bard. armory system'd.

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Excellent point!

Its interesting that you say the very same i said as if it was the opposite opinion ^^:

Its like i said...he does can be a GLA...not only because of the dagger but also because he's throwing daggers, which is GLA exclusive right now. But there are many other options...specially because GLA might only use dagger due its background ("Gladiators specialize in the handling of all manner of one–handed blades, from daggers to longswords, be they single– or double–edged, straight or curved."...he IS the blademaster so it is expected from it to deal with daggers) but still its like FFXI's WAR, that can use all weapons types...this would never deny a certain class to be like THF, that is dagger-only user.

But its that thing...he does can be a GLA since he actually shown nothing outside what a GLA can do. So, in the end, let's just say we agree about he having a potential chance of being GLA. =P

It seems what most of you are discribing is a minstrel. Bards, by definition are not neccissarily musicians. They are lore masters, story tellers, singers, writers, poets, beggers who intertain, artisans, and intertainers. To assume a weapon is involved says you define them by some previous games lore that you have played, lore more then actual understanding of the word. This is a FFXIV, not a westen MMO, and as we can see so far, there definition of alot of these clases in this game have great varience to the typical wesern concepts.

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Originally Posted by Lienn

Its interesting that you say the very same i said as if it was the opposite opinion ^^:

Its like i said...he does can be a GLA...not only because of the dagger but also because he's throwing daggers, which is GLA exclusive right now. But there are many other options...specially because GLA might only use dagger due its background ("Gladiators specialize in the handling of all manner of one–handed blades, from daggers to longswords, be they single– or double–edged, straight or curved."...he IS the blademaster so it is expected from it to deal with daggers) but still its like FFXI's WAR, that can use all weapons types...this would never deny a certain class to be like THF, that is dagger-only user.

But its that thing...he does can be a GLA since he actually shown nothing outside what a GLA can do. So, in the end, let's just say we agree about he having a potential chance of being GLA. =P

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Yep, I think we are just arguing semantics

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Originally Posted by Coglin

It seems what most of you are discribing is a minstrel. Bards, by definition are not neccissarily musicians. They are lore masters, story tellers, singers, writers, poets, beggers who intertain, artisans, and intertainers. To assume a weapon is involved says you define them by some previous games lore that you have played, lore more then actual understanding of the word. This is a FFXIV, not a westen MMO, and as we can see so far, there definition of alot of these clases in this game have great varience to the typical wesern concepts.

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I'd actually love to see a bard implementation where the instrument is their weapon, like the harp from past FF titles.

He can change between GLA and Bard, just like how we can change class. the Bard isn't release yet, and SE doesn't finish motion for it, so he is currently using GLA motion. (equip dagger = instantly become GLA. This was the definition of class that Tanaka planed)

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Originally Posted by Meow_Zedong

He claims to be a bard, but you never actually see him with an instrument. It could be a ruse. In fact when you do see him fight in the r46 Story Quest, he uses small throwing daggers.

We've already seen plenty of the unreleased classes in the game via NPCs: Musketeers, Arcanists, Mystics. There is even apparently a Shephard's Guild in Falcon's Nest.

Could he be another of the unreleased classes, Assassin?

What do you think?

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Archetypically speaking, Bards are the closest thing you normally see to spies in standard fantasy settings. They're the silk-tongued guys who can weasel and manipulate their way around and still possess the ability to fight and easily kill someone if need be. FF wussified the bard archetype (or shall I say, spoonyfied), but they're actually quite versatile with a hint of badass tossed in, so yes I can definitely see Thancred as more a traditional bard rather than an Edward-esque spoony bard.

PS: If you want to see another traditional bard recently depicted in video games, there's always Leliana from Dragon Age.

FF XIV Bard ---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6xpzPZRwdY

Thancred is indeed a Bard. Although he may not have shown his instrument of choice, he may just sing, like you could in XI, before you purchase a musical device. Also, he uses throwing daggers as a means of auto-attack or long ranged attack perhaps when he is not using TP weaponskills from his instrument of choice.

Other from Thancred, their are perhaps 3-4 other NPC Bards shown in the game through either cutscenes or approachable in cities or hamlets.

1) The little Lalafell Bard in Owl's Nest, Coerthas (hamlet)
2) In the Marauder's Guild in Limsa their is a female Elezeen Bard using a harp
3) A Mammot uses one briefly in the opening Ul'Dah cutscene during the parade
4) Corguevais, the Thaumaturge featured throughout the 3 starting quests in Ul'Dah, uses a horn to summon Coblyns to attack and also used it to control the Goobuue in the parade

Bards were also listed in the hacked file description for future classes leaked months back around release. With auto attack coming, giving them daggers or some meaningful way of auto-attack combined with sonnets and tunes to cast with TP buildup or magic would make sense to me with the new battle system layout.

Archer seems to be getting something for auto attack as well, which does not include using arrows or the bow it seems. So maybe they'll get treated a similar way?