A way to fix the rush for making speedruns as fast as possible.

As most lvl 50 players must have noticed, u have to run ak/cm an insane number of times to get ready for hm titan/coil. After running same location x times it becomes boring, and therefore everything is done to make each run take least time possible. Unfortunately this make ppl create insane requirements to join their farm party, like relic for ak/cm runs. It also encourages to exploid unplanned methods of clearing content, like old ak deathruns, just to save time. And such methods become "standard" way to run and then the only way.

Fix to this is simple. Make the number of tomes gained linearly proportional to time spent in instace, up to a maximum for standard amount of time required for this situation: all players being first timers, having minimal gear required and completing it as intended. Example numbers:

CM - 150 philosophy @ 70 minutes completion time
Praetorium - 200 philosophy @ 90 minutes completion time
AK - ~120 philosophy and 60 mythology @ 60 minutes completion time (philosophy based on time mark @ each boss)

If a player spent less than the estimated time, he gains less tomes, if longer the prize does not increase. Join in progress only takes time since entering into account, not since start of instance. However this time is counted x2, but not exceeding the time since the start of instance. This will fix players that try join in progress to leech last boss.

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Originally Posted by IzumiRaito

CM - 150 philosophy @ 70 minutes completion time
Praetorium - 200 philosophy @ 90 minutes completion time
AK - ~120 philosophy and 60 mythology @ 60 minutes completion time (philosophy based on time mark @ each boss)

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AK ok I can agree with that one but how did you figure those numbers for CM and Prae? Doing praetorium, a good party can earn 200 tomes in less than 60 minutes. Same with CM.

For praetorium if they want me to stay the whole time they would have to pay what my time is worth to make it worthwhile. At least 350 tomes to stay for 90 minutes seems worth it to me.

Pretorium

Zerg to near end, afk for 70mins, kill last boss, get bigger reward.

will not work.

This sound worse than the current system lol

The better you get in CM the more AFK you have to do for your reward, this is awful.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

Pretorium

Zerg to near end, afk for 70mins, kill last boss, get bigger reward.

will not work.

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This is literally the first thing I thought of, too.

What if my party enters instance and goes afk for a while? Y'know to make sure we don't get less.
Or if someone joins in progress then decides to wait? To make sure he gets his max tomes.

I can see many problems and raging over such situations :x We just need more options to gain tomes, to spread out and avoid general (weekly) boredom. Speed runs, as a "thing", are never, ever, [in echoing voice] everrr going away from ANY MMO :x

Adding systems that discourage speed running will generally only make people want the best geared/skilled players possible to make the run as fast as possible while still having to kill everything.

The only thing that might possibly slow down the endless grind is a diminishing return on the amount of tomes received from spamming dungeons over a certain amount of time, and that would just anger the community.

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Originally Posted by IzumiRaito

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You want what happened to GW2 to happen here?

that's like literally rewarding people for doing poorly.

the real solution is having them drop from level 70 content that is actually challenging instead of level 50 content where the only challenge is trying to beat the clock

Why do you care how fast somebody wants to run the dungeon? I hear they have these things called FC and LS, maybe if you join one and say "hey guys lets do a super slow run of AK" you'll find some people that think the way you do.

But for those of us that do not want to spend forever in dungeon, we will continue to run with the best geared players as well as find the quickest ways to complete a dungeon so that we can be over and done with it.

You can just use Duty Finder and ignore those people shouting for speed run with Relic weapon.
I'm sure you can use AF armer and ilv 50 weapon for CM, and I don't think many group in DF will do the skip all trash mobs run in AK.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...mUX68KtE#t=202 btw not directly aimed at anyone :P

What kind of backwards thinking leads to this kind of post? You really expect to be rewarded for mediocrity/being bad that much? This is just extreme laziness expressed by the OP.

If anything, fast dungeon runs should grant bonus Tomestones (just like how you get bonus XP for bringing first-timers and not wiping) and extended runs should yield considerably less. Speed = skill = speed, and should be rewarded as such. Endurance in video games is measured by how long you can survive against impossible odds, not how long you can AFK in an instance to inflate an artificial timer. A survival mode dungeon may be an interesting concept. What you proposed would not be.

I would like to see an adaptation of WoW's challenge modes with three tiers of awards based on the speed of your completion (Gold, Silver, Bronze) so that new players can better gauge their skill and game knowledge objectively instead of creating their own definition of what it means to be a good player, burying their heads in the sand and posting dribble like this.

OP: I'm sorry you don't enjoy doing things quickly and efficiently, but there are those of us that do. Speed running is a staple of the video game genre, it isn't going away just because you dislike it.

and as far as your last comment goes....how dare those damned people join your in progress dungeons and help you finish your dungeon! I guess you like AFKing in CM already though so I guess that comment shouldn't surprise me.

I can not, for the life of me, comprehend why people would want to run content slowly on purpose, or why they should be rewarded for it if they do.

CM - 150 philosophy @ 70 minutes completion time
Praetorium - 200 philosophy @ 90 minutes completion time
AK - ~120 philosophy and 60 mythology @ 60 minutes completion time (philosophy based on time mark @ each boss)


But you can beat them more than once within those times, which net you more than double tomes in some cases. There would be no real incentive for those experienced in the current speedruns.

I think it should be more than just a speedy completion:

CM - < 25 mins and no deaths = 130 tomes
Praetorium < 25 mins and no deaths = 130 tomes
AK < 30 mins and no deaths = 110 tomes

Make it both challenging and rewarding. Everybody has to be on point and can't screw up. They should also reward people who have run a dungeon before with more tomes if they are guiding new players through it if the new player agrees to it a the end of the run....so no being jerks to new players running CM for the first time.