Question for lvl 50 Weavers

So I hit lvl 50 today as a Weaver...then I immediately set out to make a full set of HQ Patrician Gear. It was easy enough.

My craftsmanship is at 303 , my control is at 293 and my CP is at 295.

So when I started to make twinthread....I can make it...but I come nowhere near close to HQ...it's like when you first started to make wool yarn for the very first time and you think "yup...Ill need to lvl a few more times first.

My Spinning Wheel is Militia HQ and I have the Lvl 50 clotho pin.

Are there any pointers to get high quality twinthread? I mean I don't come even close....maybe 20% quality. And I don't want to make the Green lvl 20 as non quality.....

or should I? Since the non HQ will still have the same stats as my Patrician plus an additional CP

Level up other DoH classes and equip more cross-class skills.

Its not very necessary to actually need to use HQ Twinthread if you work on other DoH for their cross-class skills, but yes, even with cross-class skills 40/40 durability items are quite tricky to HQ.

My best advice to you besides getting those skills is to perhaps use HQ Effervescent Water. They're generally not very expensive and add 120 quality.

thanks for your advice...

I actually skipped HQ Twinthread and focused on everything else hq.

I have a full set of Weaver Gear now. Now I am just saving up money for the class 3 materia

there is 2 useful early skill from other DoH which is good incase you dont want leveling other DoH too much
lvl 15 Leatherwork Waste Not- halves durability for 4 steps (for 4 steps it use 5 durability instead of 10)
lvl 15 alchemist Trick of the Trade - restore 20 CP when condition is good

here what i always do
Inner quiet > Steady Hand(optional) >Waste Not
with that you can easily get hq item

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Originally Posted by Kirosuu

here what i always do
Inner quiet > Steady Hand(optional) >Waste Not
with that you can easily get hq item

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That's what I was doing until I found out it's slightly better to put steady steady hand after waste not as you end up with the same amount of moves left but with an additional steady hand move.

An example for 40 durability:
Inner quiet > steady hand > waste not > 4x standard touch > 20 durability left > 2 moves left
Inner quiet > waste not > steady hand > 3x standard touch > great strides > standard touch > 15 durability left > 2 moves left

If you are new to Weaver 50 and haven't established bad habits it's better than you think.

Careful Synthesis II has great virtue but when trying to craft higher stuff like Twin Thread is falls short. The 120% efficiency isn't enough to get the job done. You can use food to bulk up your Craftsmanship and make it work but that food could have been used on control. You will find you have enough CP to add in standard Synth 15 and a second steady Hand to keep it over 100% for the progress bar actions.

tldr: Careful Synthesis II on twin thread is a crutch.

Unless you use a BSM's Ingenuity, it will take you 3 Careful Synthesis II's to get a Twinthread finished. With Ingenuity, it drops down to 2. If you're daring enough, you can try using Steady Hands II + Rapid Synthesis (80% chance of success with SH2) / Standard Synthesis (100% chance of success with SH2) to oneshot it

But yeah, it's hard to HQ Twinthread (or any 1 star 40/40 craft for that matter) unless you have a good mix of cross-class skills, HQ materials, and good equipment/materia builds

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Originally Posted by DaveAflaris

Unless you use a BSM's Ingenuity, it will take you 3 Careful Synthesis II's to get a Twinthread finished.

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If your WVR meets the threshold for making 2-star items (347 Craftsmanship), 2 Careful Synthesis IIs is all it takes to complete a Twinthread without Ingenuity.

Yeah I'd suggest going for HQ Jewelry and get at least a few Materia slotted in it, every addition to control is welcome and with Ingenuity II and enough Craft, you can one shot progress without a problem (or with rapid synthesis, altough it has only 80% success with SH II)

I was not able to consistently HQ twinthreads until I reached about 350craft/340control with about 317 CP (no food stats)

I am now able to pretty much 100% HQ from NQ at 362craft/348 control and 330CP (no food stats), if that gives you an idea of where you need to be.

HQ'ing 40/40 recipes is going to always be more difficult because you have to use manipulation after 2 touches, and hasty touch can still fail often even with SHII

Here are my cross class skills that I use..
Hasty Touch
Manipulation
Waste Not (rarely)
Tricks of trade (extremely useful)
Steady Hand II (most important)
Ingenuity
Innovation
Byregots Blessing (finish quality gambit)

I used to go with rumination and then -> manipulation/waste not -> ingenuity to finish synths, but byregots blessing is far superior

at 40/40 you need to set it up so when you're at 30/40 you can SHII+Great Strides+Innovation+Ingenuity+byregots blessing (25+32+18+24+24=~123 CP, if im not mistaken, sorry its late and maintenence is going on). If you do this around 15-18% quality, you should reach 100%, with stacks of ingenuity left to finish your synth.

if you have 'good' quality after great strides or 'excellent' i would just go straight to byregots, because innovation is OK, but it only increases your BASE control, not the control bonuses stacked from inner quiet, its just good to have in there. Ingenuity helps on items higher level than you but its usually just to take out a synthesis step, so you can always just not use innovation and use ingenuity after byregots before your Careful Synth II.

you need: 50 WVR, 50 CRP, 50 GSM, 37 CUL, 15 all other classes except ARM

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Originally Posted by Raldo

Level up other DoH classes and equip more cross-class skills.

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This. The easiest thing to do to make HQ stuff at level 50 is to have shared abilities from other professions. Sadly, when my GF realized this after leveling up two professions I think she pretty much gave up doing any more. She works, doesn't have time, but it's the reality for making life a whole lot easier.

Some which come to mind:

Steady Hand II
Innovation
Careful Synthesis II
Ingenuity I & II
Byregot's Blessing
Hasty Touch (builds stacks of Inner Quiet for zero cp)

There are a few others which help increase durability and/or CP (the more durability steps you can use for building stacks of Inner Quiet to release with Innovation/Great Strides/Ingenuity/Byregot's the better), but these above by themselves will give you a significant increase in quality.

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Originally Posted by Phonz

I was not able to consistently HQ twinthreads until I reached about 350craft/340control with about 317 CP (no food stats)

I am now able to pretty much 100% HQ from NQ at 362craft/348 control and 330CP (no food stats), if that gives you an idea of where you need to be.

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The thing with craftsmanship to about 350 is it lets me do the progress of level 55, 40 durability synthesis in one step with Careful Synthesis II (the one star twinthreads, ores, spruce lumber). This frees up 10 durability to be used for one more stack of Inner Quiet. I literally went to at least 50% HQ combines when I got to this point, from maybe one in 7 or 8 combines prior.