It makes me very sad to see so many players rush-rushing to endgame and getting fully geared in such a ridiculously short amount of time. It worries me, to see people getting there so quickly. Everyday I see people skipping over content, using exploits, buying & selling gil and in general getting carried through the game.
That's terrible! People shouldn't be allowed to do that. These people are only gonna end up hurting themselves and their raids later on. Sure…they might have the gear, but they don't have the skill. They didn't get where they are through hard work and perseverance. They didn't earn the right to wear that gear.
Speed Runs, Getting Carried & Exploits
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10-05-2013, 11:41 PMkage74Speed Runs, Getting Carried & Exploits
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10-05-2013, 11:42 PMkage74
I would rather play with hard working individuals that took the time to do things right. That didn't skip the content, didn't buy their way to the top and didn't rely on the higher ups to get them through content they weren't ready for. To be able to look at a guy, see what he's got on and know he worked long and hard to get that gear. To know he's got the skills to back it up when it comes time. I have respect for people that work hard.
The way things are, we're gonna end up with a bunch of overgeared noobs. I have no respect for people that get carried or use exploits to skip their way to the top. You go around and see all these ppl wearing this incredible gear and you have to question…does this guy deserve to be wearing this? Did he actually earn it? As things are…probably not. -
10-05-2013, 11:43 PMkage74
I understand why people use such underhanded tactics. They look around and they see what I see. So many people are already Lv50 and already have their epic gear and they feel like they're being left behind. So, they give in to temptation, take shortcuts. I feel sorry for them, because those people they idolize probably didn't earn that gear properly either. It's good to have nice things, but far better and more satisfying when you actually earn them yourself.
I hope that Square-Enix will take the time to cover up such exploits and that people will be willing to put in a bit more effort for their gear. This is a good game and I just don't want to see it end up like World of Warcrap. -
10-05-2013, 11:44 PMLera
You run castrum or prea 10x and watch the CS every time and tell me you wont start speed running....
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10-05-2013, 11:57 PMkage74Sorry, there was a 1000 character limit and I had to copy-paste to get it all.Quote:
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10-05-2013, 11:59 PMXianghuayou can edit post to pass the 1000 char limit.Quote:
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10-06-2013, 12:06 AMGorlioliolio
I don't understand your post, it's like your saying everyone who has DL has been carried and haven't worked hard to attain the gear.
5 cm runs for head
8 for chest
5 for gloves
4 for belt
8 for legs
5 for boots
4 for neck
4 for ears
4 for wrist
4 for ring
9 for relic
That's 60 runs, roughly 30 hours give or take finding new people/bad groups probably ups it to 40ish hours worth of time spent earning the gear.
I somehow doubt you will find 7 people willing to just let you afk in cm while they do it for you over and over for 40 hours. And if this is an option that gilsellers provide, well then people who take it are just lazy and will have been carried but I feel like those people are the tiniest minority of the games population that most of the people you are seeing geared have earned it.
Now the gear vs skill thing, well, they can't make it so hard to get the group gear that idiots won't ever get it, or else the risk losing a lot of money. -
10-06-2013, 12:14 AMHed
I understand you thinking that people who buy runs/money/items are being carried. Speed running is a means to an end. CM is EASY to speed run. Skip trash here and there where possible and viola! Easy 100 tomes. I don't get where you equate that with not being able to play correctly. Well I for one do know how to play my class correctly. I don't need the exp or extra damage to my gear so the real question here is. Why not? Fighting trash in there is certainly not giving you any good form of practice. I wouldn't say.....speed run through AK to each boss and die like so many did but CM doesn't force you to fight a lot so it's not necessary.
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10-06-2013, 12:42 AMBattlewrench
I'm sure there will eventually be a patch or something once they've pumped out more content fixing it.
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10-06-2013, 12:52 AMNoctisCaelus
The game has been out for over a month though..
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10-06-2013, 12:54 AMAmyasToo many full DL people in AK that cause wipes at last boss time and time again, and fall off at the wall, time and time again (and the sad thing is they rarely get the acheivment for clearing the map, so they were most likely carried before, or just lucky). I'm at the point where I'm more reassured at seeing people in full AK gear or AF in AK than DL.Quote:
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And you know the ones that wipey-wipe in AK in full DL didn't get their tomes from TWP or other low level dungeons... -
10-06-2013, 12:56 AMTaruranto
Yay, another fresh level 50 who didn't even try endgame (not even one piece of DL) and laments why ppl speedrun places like CM.
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10-06-2013, 01:04 AMHedMakes sense, I haven't been able to experience that yet. How exactly does one fall off at the wall? There's no need to run that far lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amyas
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10-06-2013, 01:09 AMJohnist
Total Mythology to get AF2 + Hero's jewels and blt: 5,385.
17.95 weeks (18 weeks).
Total Mythology to get +1 on all AF2 + Relic: 6,300
21.00 weeks
Total for AF2+1= 11,685 Mythology
38.95 weeks (39 weeks)
300 Myth = 75 Ifrit Hard Mode Runs
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10-06-2013, 01:09 AMVod
I worked hard for my gear, I was 50 in, or right after the first wave of them, when nobody was geared up yet, and fights were difficult. So keep your assumptions to yourself.
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10-06-2013, 01:17 AMCaselia
CM is piss easy and the only good dungeon to run because Praetorium has the relic bug which causes the relic quest to drop otherwise everyone would farm that for tomes instead of Castrum. So this "everyone being geared and does not deserve it" crap I don't see where you're getting from considering how easy it is to get gear.
You want to complain about people not knowing their class? Blame Yoshida for making everything up to 50 piss easy and a "tutorial" in a sense. -
10-06-2013, 01:20 AMsilverhopeif ur back isent 100% to the back of the room when everyone gets pushed u can get pushed left or right and fall offQuote:
Originally Posted by Hed
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10-06-2013, 01:24 AMAmyasI'm assuming they're just running it for the first few times and haven't hit robot-mode there yet. Its just odd for me because DL should mean you're already passed that point, you know? Its ilvl 70 gear in an ilvl 60 dungeon, and you can't even be bothered to run away from the purple lines? Or keep your camera fixated correctly on the wall? After six wipes because of that? RAHHHH.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hed
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10-06-2013, 01:37 AMYuciePeople gearing themselves faster than you have no physical effects on your gameplay. Get over it.Quote:
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10-06-2013, 01:45 AMAmyasActually... it kinda can. Not saying I agree with everything OP is saying, but it surely can. When you see 'geared' people in a duty finder group for a dungeon, you normally think 'Wow this is going to be easy.' Right? Not the case 60% of the time. (rough estimate... lol)Quote:
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10-06-2013, 01:53 AMkage74
Square-Enix needs to put a limit on the number of dungeons a player can run a day, or the number of times a dungeon can be run in a day to slow people's progress. What are people going to do…when there's nothing left to do? If you rush like mad to get to Lv50 and get all your gear in a few weeks…what then? What is there left to do? If you've got everything there is to get…now you have nothing. No reason to log in each day, no new goals to meet. Just log in each day and farm or mine to get uber rich and wait till the next expansion hits?
I just think it should take ppl a bit longer (a helluve lot longer) to get to the endgame content. Something like half a year at least, just to get to endgame would be more suitable. Maybe with things you can only do once a week…so getting a full set will take 2-3mo. Give people something they have to work towards. That will add to the life of the game. -
10-06-2013, 01:56 AMAmyasIt already takes five months to get full AF +1 for a single class :pQuote:
Originally Posted by kage74
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10-06-2013, 02:02 AMJohnist38.95 weeks to be precise as I pointed out above. Of course that's including Belt, choker, earrings, bracelet, and rings, all of which are 375 and I doubt can be +1ed.Quote:
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10-06-2013, 02:10 AMRyuujinZEROThere's a difference between working hard, and grinding a comparatively easy dungeon ad nauseum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorlioliolio
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10-06-2013, 02:22 AMDeusteele
The MMO crowd has evolved heavily over the last 10 years. No longer do people wander around aimlessly for dozens of levels due to vague or outright misleading quest information. There are now databases and forums that let players exchange help regarding quests and gearing. The cutting edge crowd you're complaining are very networked and will be ahead of you regardless of how many roadblocks a game could toss in front of them.
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10-06-2013, 02:30 AMTyrialDarklight isn't true "End Game" gear though. It's a placeholder for the gear that drops from Crystal Tower and Binding Coil, so it should be fairly easy to get as it is basically a requirement to complete said raids.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyuujinZERO
As for the OP and people "rushing" to get it, why does it matter to you? The people who rush are either doing it so they can quit before the trial period expires or are doing it so that they can move on to other things (like crafting). It affects you very slightly, if at all. -
10-06-2013, 04:58 AMAgamemnonTwo very distinct topics, one is about rushing everything, other is the people using exploits and buying & selling gil.Quote:
Originally Posted by kage74
People who rush and skip content will have the same skill than you. People who get carried maybe don't. People who buy and sell gil have the same skill, but have more gil than you.Quote:
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Sometimes people with good gear wiping on AK or Primes are just drunk. -
10-06-2013, 05:52 AMAmyasIdk, I tank AK best when I'm drunk and jamming out, its really weird. Well, it makes it go faster anyways :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Agamemnon
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10-06-2013, 06:03 AMntall1
The problem isnt that players are doing it, its that players CAN actually do it. The only ppl that should be max level in the first month are legacy and the super hard core. It should take a month for no lifers, and up to 3 months for casual play imo. No one should be fully fleshed out in the highest lvl gear already. Heck.. I am playing pretty casually, and I got my first ilvl 90 piece yesterday.
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10-06-2013, 06:24 AMDecultureThat was in this game in some form. It was called Fatigue. It was also in FF14 1.0, which was widely lauded as the worst AAA MMO ever made.Quote:
Originally Posted by kage74
I sure am glad some of the players here aren't devs. MMOs by design are extremely easy games, I always laugh when people bring up "speed leveling" and skill as if there's any correlation between the two. -
10-06-2013, 02:19 PMAvalon_AlbrookI'd like to direct your attention to my signature. It explains which one, either sobriety or insobriety, serves me best while doing a run.Quote:
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