Most efficient Bard Rotation DPS wise

I saw a similar post but it is long gone now and i find it difficult to find.
Share you rotations please, i'm curious :)

Straight>venomous>wind bite>heavy shot until straighter shot procs.
Always use blood letter and miserys end when they are off cd and weave buffs between shots when applicable.

Not sure if the OP is trolling or just......

Straight shot>bloodletter>Internal release,Hawke eye>Venomous bite>raging strikes, barrage>windbite>flaming arrow. switch to another mob for trash, and apply double dots, and go back to the first one and use heavy shot, bloodletter, and straighter shot when it pops. obviously reapplying if it doesnt, and keeping dots up. DOts on two mobs will change your life, using bloodletter every 2 seconds, and pull no hate if your tank is smart. a lot of people use one buff and then a GC, but i find you can fit in 2 before GC resets. Im currently working on getting blood for blood, but internal release, straight shot with 4 dots up, i use bloodletter more than heavy shot on GC,just make sure you re-target the first mob, and switch back to use bloodletter if it pops between Gc of dots on the second mob.

Honest question, why do you prioritize Venomous bite over Windbite when its a higher potency dot? wouldn't you want to get the stronger one rolling first? o.O

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Originally Posted by RonPierce

Honest question, why do you prioritize Venomous bite over Windbite when its a higher potency dot? wouldn't you want to get the stronger one rolling first? o.O

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For long fights (or when I don't care either way) I'd prioritize Windbiter. For really short fights, though, Venomous front loads more of its damage. Mind you, it'd have to be shorter than 12 seconds for it to matter, as at that point the two dots match. Anything past that and Windbiter wins.

jesus, just push buttons

actually it doesnt really matter what dot you apply first since all dots on the server tick at the same time...

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Originally Posted by Santell

actually it doesnt really matter what dot you apply first since all dots on the server tick at the same time...

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It does, because there is a chance (a fairly high chance, actually) of a tick happening before the second DoT is applied.

Thus, you always want windbiter to be applied first. This is true unless the thing would die in under 5 seconds, in which case, why didn't you just use 2 heavy shots lol.

oh no i agree, windbiter should be applied first, im just saying it's not the end of the world if you're doing it the other way. i like to SS>BL>*BUFFS*>WB, VB>flaming aero>heavy shot spam/BL when up rinse and repeat without letting dots/SS buff fall off ^.^ its actually really simple, my "1" button is a macro with HS BL and ME
SS replaces HS during the spam period if procd for crit

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

It does, because there is a chance (a fairly high chance, actually) of a tick happening before the second DoT is applied.

Thus, you always want windbiter to be applied first. This is true unless the thing would die in under 5 seconds, in which case, why didn't you just use 2 heavy shots lol.

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Less than 2 ticks left: Heavy
2-4 ticks left: Venomous->Windbiter->Heavy
More than 4 ticks left: Windbiter->Venomous->Heavy

Assuming you actually care enough to break it down that far.

Why would you ever venomous over windbiter?

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

Why would you ever venomous over windbiter?

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It frontloads more of its damage. In 2 ticks, Venomous does 170 potency vs Windbiter's 150. Only at 4 ticks do they match up at 240 potency.

Like I said, it only matters if you absolutely insist on breaking things down that far. I usually don't bother.

You are confusing the attack potency "frontloading" with the fact that you are using both, regardless of which is used first.

What you say is true IF you only used one or the other, and compared them side by side.

Lets assume the first dot does 1 tick, the second dot does 0.

WB > VB

WB = 60 (attack) + 45 (tick) = 105
VB = 100 (attack)

Total = 205

VB > WB

VB = 100 (attack) + 35 (tick) = 135
WB = 60 (attack)

Total = 195.

So even in the 2.5-5 second scenario, WB > VB is superior.

But you said yourself that in the <5 second scenario, Heavy beats both of them, at 300 potency. Remember that if they aren't getting a second tick in, it's less potency than Heavy for more TP cost. It's only when you're sure there are 2 ticks left that you should even be looking to decide which one to use first.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

But you said yourself that in the <5 second scenario, Heavy beats both of them, at 300 potency. Remember that if they aren't getting a second tick in, it's less potency than Heavy for more TP cost. It's only when you're sure there are 2 ticks left that you should even be looking to decide which one to use first.

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Yes this is true, but I'm not sure what you're arguing for here.

It doesn't matter if we set it to 5 seconds, or 12 seconds, 100 seconds, or anything in between, because really the only thing to compare is: which attack gets an extra tick.

We could easily have the scenario be 2 ticks/1 tick, or 3 ticks/2 ticks, or what have you, you still will windbite first.

And since Windbite has 10 more potency per tick than Venomous, you always windbite first, unless you don't have time to use both, in which case skip both and use HS/SS instead.

1, 5, 4, 3, 2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 5, 3, 2, 4, 3, 2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 6, 1

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

We could easily have the scenario be 2 ticks/1 tick, or 3 ticks/2 ticks, or what have you, you still will windbite first.

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Not quite.

At 2/1 tick, you would Venomous Bite for 170, then realize that your Windbiter would only be 105 and it's better to Heavy. You wouldn't Windbiter->Venomous, because that loses to 2x Heavy

V->H = 170+150 = 320
W->H = 150+150 = 300
H->H = 150+150 = 300
W->V = 150+135 = 285
V->W = 170+105 = 275

At 3/2 tick, Windbiter edges out Venomous.

W->V->H = 195+170+150 = 515
V->H->H = 205+150+150 = 505
V->W->H = 205+150+150 = 505
W->H->H = 195+150+150 = 495
H->H->H = 150+150+150 = 450

Of course, this all assumes that you can forecast when the enemy will die with that much precision. There's a reason I usually stick to W->V, even though I know that there are cases where Venomous should be priority.

I see what you're saying now, it makes sense.

I think generally in that situation I would just say screw it and spam heavy for SS proc XD

And for general purpose fighting, always windbite over venomous.

For that, you know, 0.01% dps increase lol.

Two trash mob DPS questions, if you are trying to kill something quick are you better off spamming SS since it hits twice and is twice as likely to critical? The other is, if I put dots on one mob and then put dots on another mob will they both tick and double my chances for BL proc?

Yes neon. If you apply dots two more than one enemy, each and every tick will have a chance to reset bloodletter. Applying two dots on two enemies after popping internal release will give you resets every two seconds, it ridiculous and if you dont have a good tank and healer, it can be dangerous applying dots on another enemy and doing so much damage. But with good parties ive never had trouble. Im not so sure what you mean about straight shot hitting twice though, because it doesnt lol. As for the windbite and venomous bite order, yes windbite should be used first, I didnt mean to spread bad info. But really the differences are so small, it doesnt really matter for trash, or even bosses because you should be reapplying both as soon as they come off so it wouldnt even matter until the very last time you apply them and venomous is 3 seconds ahead for one tick. but really when keeping your dots up, the most important thing to remember is making sure they are both up for those resets.

Thank you Ausaric, and yes I was mistaken in my head it hits twice because of the animation but of course it only hits once. Well that is good, a lot of times my threat bar can get brimming from BL procs, so at least I can move over to another mob apply dots then come back and probably finish the primary target with pulling it.