It's so easy to blame the Healer!!

Getting a little tired of this and I know other healers on my server are too cos i have had lengthy shout and tell conversations about it lol..

If something goes wrong it is so damn easy to blame the healer and when everything goes right it's the DPS who get praised.. it really irritates me.

I run AK with my FC and we clear it no deaths, or like one random death..but we do it well and there are no problems with my healing. I am confident in my ability to heal.

Yet when you end up on the Duty Finder and something goes wrong people instantly think "DEEERRRP SOMEBODY DIED.. HEALERS FAULT" it's happened twice today:

but in AK.. Tank got repelled off the side just before bees spawned, bees went straight for my faery and then to me and i got 3 shotted. DPS says "why did we die" i replied "tank fell" .. "why did WE die" .. /grrrr .. i just told him straight, he thought cos he had relic he was immune from the blame on the dps check.

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Of cause it is never the tank or dps fault!!!

As the healer, you should always cast you Invincibility Forever skill on them.

Tons of tanks and DPS know it is there. Lvl 1 skill. Sadly as healers we so blur till cannot find it.

You're a healer. You're suppose to perform miracles all the time. Don't you know that is why DPS play their class? No responsibilities other than DPS. And nice looking weapons. They have the easiest job. Wait until they reach coil when they have to start doing more. "I don't have time to cast ballad." Also DPS outnumber you. 2 DPS in group to 1 healer and 1 tank. "Yeah we did great didn't we. So much damage. I did number 1! Yeah I come in at number 2! /highfive." Meanwhile tanks and healers are like "Riiiigggghhhttttt."

I love teasing DPS. Don't take anything I say seriously or to heart. I still love you all! With all that being said, it is still a very high percent to beat the wall with the tank falling off. I've done it plenty of times.

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Originally Posted by Nullie

With all that being said, it is still a very high percent to beat the wall with the tank falling off. I've done it plenty of times.

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If your DPS are good sure, I've done it too. Funny though, I had a DF group in there yday with two relic DPS and we almost died to being pushed back too far lol. I really have no idea how that happened, I even DPSd myself before the first repel. I didn't say anything though, we all have bad days sometimes.

That one is your fault then. If you let the bees come straight to you without casting A. Surecast B. (divine) Medica II C. Shroud of Saints D. Almost anything besides letting yourself get three hit. A WHM Can tank the bees by self healing alone. But yeah I do get the intent of the post. A Tank can be horrible and blame everyone but himself because he just wants a WHM to keep him topped off. Besides Medica 2 being used on the party during wall I don't heal anyone but myself. You shouldn't have to if the party is doing their own job correctly.

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Originally Posted by Al_Harrington

That one is your fault then. If you let the bees come straight to you without casting A. Surecast B. (divine) Medica II C. Shroud of Saints D. Almost anything besides letting yourself get three hit. A WHM Can tank the bees by self healing alone. But yeah I do get the intent of the post. A Tank can be horrible and blame everyone but himself because he just wants a WHM to keep him topped off. Besides Medica 2 being used on the party during wall I don't heal anyone but myself. You shouldn't have to if the party is doing their own job correctly.

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Idiot. He's a Scholar. OH NOES U DIDNT CAST ALL THE WHM ABILITIS IT IZ UR FAULT! BAD HEALER IS BAD! MANY HEELS CAST THEM.

Well I appreciate you guys as a DPS I always try to kill mobs that target you guys right away and I try to stay close for AOE heals...

I have seen lots and lots of healers fail at Titan and have been the first to leave the instance in about 80 percent of the fights I was in
out of like 40 runs......

Titan is the hardest fight for the Healers I think...for DPS it's way easy just have to dodge...so yah you guys dont have it easy and I appreciate the fact that you chose to be a healer.

Hi TC,

Based on the information provided, if the DPS don't readjust to the situation of the tank falling and the wall wasn't down enough where their damage could kill it, then you cannot be blamed for the party's defeat. In an incident like that, the remaining party would all need to take corrective action, as no one individual can turn the fight around in a fatal incident.

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Originally Posted by Kismet

Idiot. He's a Scholar. OH NOES U DIDNT CAST ALL THE WHM ABILITIS IT IZ UR FAULT! BAD HEALER IS BAD! MANY HEELS CAST THEM.

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lol love it

I have always said that if i was a whm the wall would probably be easier MedicaII like a baws!

Faery is too stupid on the wall, just sits in the purple, i think they should make it, if they are on heel and you don't take damage they shouldn't, fair enough if they are placed or you are late with your run, but she'll just sit there trying to swim in the purple sludge lol.

But yes, it was my fault, i did forget to cast invincibility on the party before we went in lol

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Originally Posted by Fiosha_Maureiba

Hi TC,

Based on the information provided, if the DPS don't readjust to the situation of the tank falling and the wall wasn't down enough where their damage could kill it, then you cannot be blamed for the party's defeat. In an incident like that, the remaining party would all need to take corrective action, as no one individual can turn the fight around in a fatal incident.

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yea they had plenty of time to react as the bees went to my faery first :)

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Originally Posted by Al_Harrington

That one is your fault then. If you let the bees come straight to you without casting A. Surecast B. (divine) Medica II C. Shroud of Saints D. Almost anything besides letting yourself get three hit. A WHM Can tank the bees by self healing alone.

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Yes, because Scholars have Medica II and Shroud of Saints too.


*facepalm* did you even read it? e.e. "bees went straight to me, 3 shotted me, well to fairy and then me"

Am a smn I have most dark light gear I rarely seen any one talk bad about the healers I all ways seen people talk bad about the smn and that all ways makes me up set as a whm on xi and xiv I know how hard it can be as a healer so I all ways stick up for them as well as smn just people getting up set due to the run not going there way so they have to blame some one but now let's say your a pld in lv 20 gear trying to do Titan I would be let's try it but am saying to my self it won't work but I never say it to some one

Had something like this happen in Ifirt Hardmode.

Warrior jumps in, loses hate, Ifrit turns around and blasts the DPS. We go about healing them. Tank loses hate again, comes after the healers. Wipe. Then it's, Derp, didn't get a heal derp. When I explained he lost hate, his buddy chimed in and said he didn't. And I was like, dude, I watched it happen.

Paladin figures it out, so second attempt he just tanks it. But they are trading hate, getting hit by Ifrit at the same time. Hard for us to heal that. But we do. Warrior dies, I swiftcast raise him. Almost out of mana, but I played conservative. Second attempt we end up beating Ifrit. Paladin also interrupted all the eruptions.

He kind of apologized at the end. But this kind of stuff does happen. I've been pretty lucky, haven't been in bad groups, even when I was responsible for 4 wipes on normal Garuda. Maybe you want to play on Cactuar?

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Originally Posted by Al_Harrington

That one is your fault then. If you let the bees come straight to you without casting A. Surecast B. (divine) Medica II C. Shroud of Saints D. Almost anything besides letting yourself get three hit. A WHM Can tank the bees by self healing alone. But yeah I do get the intent of the post. A Tank can be horrible and blame everyone but himself because he just wants a WHM to keep him topped off. Besides Medica 2 being used on the party during wall I don't heal anyone but myself. You shouldn't have to if the party is doing their own job correctly.

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My head hurts from all the desk

I spent today getting blamed for failing coil boss 1 via letting my Warrior tank die (to a 9000 damage hit after mitigation from Eye for an Eye and Sacred Soil, as a Scholar) during attempts where multiple dps and at one point the other healer (a White Mage) died to Caduceus cleaves within the first few minutes of the fight. This being a boss that doesn't move.

Someone asked me if I had swiftcast after having rezzed a Monk, a Bard, and a White Mage in the first five minutes that particular attempt. Naw bro, I did the full cast of Resurrection three times while Eos main-healed this fight, clearly.

A PLD tank died on Demon Wall after I had died from getting swamped by both bees at the same time and blamed me because I didnt add stoneskin on him before I went down........

"Why didn't you cast stoneskin on me? I could have survived!"

"Boss was at 40%........ SMH" /leave

I have just started playing this game. playing a healer at times. but as many of you know (as there is a thread with at least 76 pages now if you do a search on 'red circle aoe) there is a massive problem with syncing, latency, or whatever that causes people who have avoided the red circle (and other stuff) to take full damage anyhow.

this in turn means that as healers it is more difficult than it should be to keep a group up, as people are sucking up damage that they actually dodged. it means a healer is casting way more heals than normal. this in turn means healers are getting more agro than normal. it also means that even as healers themselves dodge red circles successfully they are hit for full damage.

it also means that tanks have a more difficult time keeping agro because the healer has to go crazy with healing spells.

from my point of view, this flaw is making all aspects of the game miserable, ESPECIALLY dungeons.

I have to say in most mmo's to date if a party wiped most of the time it was the healers fault. I'm not having ago at healers since I play on im 99% of the mmos I play.

however in saying that ff14 is very different in that regard. Im not saying a bad healer wont wipe a group but bad tanks and even bad dps can wipe a group.

Titan HM is a good example. If DPS are bad or their gear is not good enough its impossible to kill titan.

Hydra is a good example of tanks getting it wrong. In fact a lot of fights if tanks get it wrong can wipe the party very quick.

The problem healers face is 15 years of mmos where party wipes were mostly the healers fault.

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Originally Posted by DenzelTaru

Faery is too stupid on the wall, just sits in the purple, i think they should make it, if they are on heel and you don't take damage they shouldn't, fair enough if they are placed or you are late with your run, but she'll just sit there trying to swim in the purple sludge lol.

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Just Place her in the middle. Heavy isn't going to hurt her much, it's Slow that gets annoying.

Tank loses hate too often.
DPS don't do enough damage.
Healers don't heal properly.

FFXIV's circle of life, err, blames.

i think being as a healer is more difficult than being a DPS.. my main job is SMN.. but sometime i do bcome a SCH too.. so, the play style is very different.. but what I notice is as a healer, we have a lot of works to do..

1. need to heal the party member.
2. make sure we r secure from being attacked by foe..

but, sometime bcoz i am too busy healing my party, without i realize it, the enemy attack me bcoz my eyes is looking at the HP bar of all party members.. and it is very unfortunate if the damage is massive, then i die by only a single hit.. but being as a DPS, i dont need to care about other party HP.. so, my eyes is only focusing on the enemies, then it is much easier for me to dodge the attack as my eyes focus on them, but sometime being as a healer it's too late to dodge the attack as my eyes need to look at the part HP bar but at the same time need to look at the enemies if they want to attack me..

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Originally Posted by Rissy

Just Place her in the middle.

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Good tip thanks, will try.. only problem is repel i guess, too focused on sorting out members to replace her

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Originally Posted by vincent1

it also means that tanks have a more difficult time keeping agro because the healer has to go crazy with healing spells.

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Not Really.. I never take hate as a healer.. I am quite confident then with saying that a good healer will not take hate (or minimal hate) all dependant on the tank of course. It's mages who spam medica who take the hate, over healing everyone.

I proved my point in a lowbie dungeon, running with FC friends and a DF healer, the healer kept stealing hate cos every time more than one person took damage they cast medica and then cos they got hit they cast medica again.. and again..Then next time I switch to my CNJ. I never took hate and throughout the whole dungeon I only used Medica once, I even dps'd the whole thing and took no hate!

Whenever I would get blamed for a party wipe because I died to agro I always say. A tank is only as good as the healer and the healer is only as good as the tank. The tank dies without me and I die without the tank.

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Originally Posted by DenzelTaru

Good tip thanks, will try.. only problem is repel i guess, too focused on sorting out members to replace her


Not Really.. I never take hate as a healer.. I am quite confident then with saying that a good healer will not take hate (or minimal hate) all dependant on the tank of course. It's mages who spam medica who take the hate, over healing everyone.

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Actually, if you go full blast on healing, you can easily pull aggro when there are multiple adds. Not a big deal with single target. If there any adds, you'll be pulling some threat if you go full out. At least as a WHM. This can be mitigated if you're careful and watch the threat bars.

Lukcily I've been grouping with other WHM's that keep regen on the tank. So they get the adds for me. :)

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Originally Posted by Al_Harrington

That one is your fault then. If you let the bees come straight to you without casting A. Surecast B. (divine) Medica II C. Shroud of Saints D. Almost anything besides letting yourself get three hit. A WHM Can tank the bees by self healing alone. But yeah I do get the intent of the post. A Tank can be horrible and blame everyone but himself because he just wants a WHM to keep him topped off. Besides Medica 2 being used on the party during wall I don't heal anyone but myself. You shouldn't have to if the party is doing their own job correctly.

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There are so many things wrong with what you said, it honestly made me laugh. Thanks for the smile.

At the end of the day we're HEALERS not MIRACLE workers, but i think thats the main problem every other player has :p even my friends have a go at me when they die xD but yeah i remember during the stone vigil fight i lagged big time and so did the other DPS on the team so yeah i died and yeah my whole team hated me, one of them even made a comment saying " it's ok for a DPS to die but not the healer" o.0

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Originally Posted by IceLord

Am a smn I have most dark light gear I rarely seen any one talk bad about the healers I all ways seen people talk bad about the smn and that all ways makes me up set as a whm on xi and xiv I know how hard it can be as a healer so I all ways stick up for them as well as smn just people getting up set due to the run not going there way so they have to blame some one but now let's say your a pld in lv 20 gear trying to do Titan I would be let's try it but am saying to my self it won't work but I never say it to some one

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World's longest sentence...

I have just started playing a Healing class (CNJ, about to get WHM once I do the job quest) and luckily, have yet to be blamed for any wipes. I've played BLM to 50 and never raged at healers, they've been pretty decent throughout the levels. And playing a Healer myself as really made me realise how much of a demanding job it is. I've also came to realise how annoying DPS are. It's so tempting to just not heal someone for being stupid... (then I think to myself, I wonder how many times I've been the stupid DPS? It's an enlightening experience.)

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Originally Posted by Al_Harrington

That one is your fault then. If you let the bees come straight to you without casting A. Surecast B. (divine) Medica II C. Shroud of Saints D. Almost anything besides letting yourself get three hit. A WHM Can tank the bees by self healing alone. But yeah I do get the intent of the post. A Tank can be horrible and blame everyone but himself because he just wants a WHM to keep him topped off. Besides Medica 2 being used on the party during wall I don't heal anyone but myself. You shouldn't have to if the party is doing their own job correctly.

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Can't.....stop......laughing........

If the DPS were so good they could have kill Demon Wall before the bees pop!

This conversation happened to me today in ST:

Tank: Yo, healer you need to beef up healing
Me: We wiped because y'all stood in fire
Tank: I mean don't you have cure II/III?
Me: Yeah, and I use cure II.
Tank: Odd, I keep seeing Cure I. I don't think you're using Cure II.
Me: I use it when you need it. Otherwise I use Cure I to proc free Cure II, and it is more mana efficient. I assume you have never healed ever.

We eventually got past the conflict.

Of further interest: I am a healer. Sleeping a mob counts as healing for me. In fact, putting a mob to sleep is the cheapest and strongest heal I have. I wish tanks/DPS would stop trying to faceroll the content and pay attention to what the healers are doing.

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Originally Posted by Jyoeru

Of further interest: I am a healer. Sleeping a mob counts as healing for me. In fact, putting a mob to sleep is the cheapest and strongest heal I have. I wish tanks/DPS would stop trying to faceroll the content and pay attention to what the healers are doing.

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I had no idea WHM had sleep lol.. I was BLM so I was the sleeper, then I FATEd my ACN to 30 so I could get SCH and be the healer myself. So now that I am a tank and I was seeing sleeps happening without a THM i was so confused lol.

But you are right, sleep is a great spell and needs to be utilized

The tank is the only one I feel responsible of as a healer.
I keep the tank alive, the tank keep the DPS alive. If a DPS is being stupid, I don't really care about him.

This reminds me of something I saw on the internet I think it was from a web comic but it showed this girl with a headset running a MMO Healer support hotline and her speech bubble said:

"What you have to understand is that as a healer you don't really matter, until you do and by then it's all your fault."

i think more often than not it is everyone's fault but the healer. In this game the only one who is supposed to be getting hit is the tank I'm talking about AK CM and Titan. AoEs like stomp for titan is an exception. If you die as a DPS or a tank your an idiot. I am relic/ full DL and have a af2 piece and i was doing ak the other day and a pld with hoplite crap had the gull of telling me im not healing enough.. he was getting hit by the red circles on the ground.

Most fights that DPS or tank wipe is because they cant handle the pressure and get hit and expect the healer to work miracles and us healers can't make mistakes like they do because we get 1 shot. this is at least in my experience.

the cherry on top is when a pld or dps gives you "advice" when they dont know their $%^ from their elbow when i comes to healing.

no thank you ill leave and do a static with my FC.