get rid of the move bar

i'd like to see them just get rid of the middle bar completly, go back to all macros like in ffxi. having both is just clunky and not working right for me. either that or give us a majillion bars that we can add macro sets too, but then it's same as just macros exept it's a one stack rather then a 2 stack for speed and ease.

make creating macro's way easy or drag and click or somehting simple. having both don't work right. and i don't think anyone used both the box and macros in ffxi, i barely used the scroll down. and putting this thing right dab in the middle of screen now is horrible.

What do you mean all macros like XI? They'll have to have some sort of menu system intact for those who dont want to use macro shortcuts for everything. Unless im completely misunderstanding what you mean.

I also don't understand what you're talking about. Please explain your suggestion more clearly.

I dont think thats a good idea, the action bar is great, only macros I have is to turn aoe on and off for certain spells and gear/job swaps. I would say the macros are clunky and the action bar is the thing that is smooth

If they get rid of action bar, then we need a menu ffxi-like. Yes, people used it, not macro-only. so, it's all work for nothing

Pro-tip: Use the "move bar" as you call it (otherwise known as the Action Bar) for your single target spells and attacks, and macro your AoE's and heals.

Combine the 2 systems and you find you can actually play quite efficiently.

The commmon point of all the final fantasy was a menu with attack, magic, items....etc. Formyself it was a final fantasy touch!

Final fantasy XIV just pick up action bar of all oriented action mmorpg.
Get rid of action bar yes please, and welcome back to a menu final fantasy-like.

Menus work for the console FF games that have a slower pace, set character spots, turn-based but it's clunky in an MMO especially FFXIV where it's more action-oriented. Action bars are great, macro system exists for those who want to use it. God forbid the genre should innovate and change ever.

there is way too many abilities and the battle too fast paced for it to be going into spells drill down to the spell you want then pick it. This is much more fluid imo

I like the move bar. The key to using it successfully is stacking your moves so that they're only one or two keypresses away from each other. You have three levels of commands. Using the three levels to make it so that your key skills are all next to each other is essentail (especially if you use a gamepad, like me).

If you don't want to do it that way, then you can use the NUMERIC keys, or you can set your own hotkeys and make it so that your skills are easy to use.

Don't complain about the interface because you don't want to use it to your advantage. Having this flexibility is one of the things that makes this game as good as it is.

I hated the FFXI setup. It was similar to the traditional FF setup, but it was confusing, and got stale after about 15 minutes (it could be because the battle system was so much slower too). The move bar is a great tool if you use it properly.

USE YOUR INTERFACE TO YOUR ADVANTAGE.

What if we made the action bar more customizable and you could add additional input under an ability? Reverting to XI just cause you are used to it doesn't make it better. The whole flaw with this game stems from the fact they used nothing from XI they learned and scrapped it all completely.

I am in favor of the action bar. However, I would like the ability to put a macro on the action bar, even if it costs 1 point per macro. It wouldn't be too useful for job switch macros, but battle macros being on the action bar, at least for controller users, would be helpful.

Haha NO!

If they get rid of the action bat they will kill this game, what we need is the ability to turn on more bars, up to 3 additional action bars.

Allow us to add macros directly to the action bar and have the bars displayed all the time.

SE should go look at every other MMO out there and get some ideas for UI, because they obviously have no idea.

Finally give PC user and PS3 users separate interfaces.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Haha NO!

If they get rid of the action bat they will kill this game, what we need is the ability to turn on more bars, up to 3 additional action bars.

Allow us to add macros directly to the action bar and have the bars displayed all the time.

SE should go look at every other MMO out there and get some ideas for UI, because they obviously have no idea.

Finally give PC user and PS3 users separate interfaces.

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Getting rid of the action bar would kill the game? I don't know where you are speaking from, but it isn't the lips on your face. SE have a unique MMo on their hands, and for this very reason, they don't want to copy all the other generic faceless MMo's out there, and instead try something different.

If this game ends up as a WoW clone, I wouldn't think twice about dropping it like a stone. The UI is clunky and needs work, but look at "every other MMO out there" (by which I assume you mean WoW), WoW is still having it's UI changed pretty much every patch, Rift's is awful and very tacky to look at, Aions was nothing to shout about, but they all took a little getting used to and it was fine.

FFXI's is nicely customisable, but very laggy, and should hopefully get updated to be more responsive, but otherwise I like it.

Your views are wildly over the top, as are your predictions lol.

I dont understand the need to add macros to the action bar, when there is already a macro bar. Keeping the two seperate I dont see how it hurts, if you want to use macros use macros, if you want to use the action bar use that. If you dont want it there just move it off of the visible screen.

I think the reason people want to add macros to the action bar is for multi line macros. For example, you can have the button for Banish II on the bar, and it offers you to the option for AoE when you press it, but as a macro, you can have it as a one button cast, and also add in any gear swaps, /p lines and use the /aoe on /aoe off command lines, so it's all under one keypress, but this opens a door for exploitation too, as people could automate actions by doing this.

In my mind - there should be no difference between the Action bar, the Ctrl bar, and the Alt bar. They should all allow you to place macros or skills. This lets people customize stuff and place it in the location that makes the most sense to them. Let me put my skills under a Ctrl menu and let me put macros on my regular Action bar.

With the current setup and a gamepad, I would actually prefer to access more of my skills via Ctrl and Alt, rather than scrolling up and down a one line action bar because then I always know where I am at based upon what buttons i am pressing.

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Originally Posted by Eruantien

I dont understand the need to add macros to the action bar, when there is already a macro bar. Keeping the two seperate I dont see how it hurts, if you want to use macros use macros, if you want to use the action bar use that. If you dont want it there just move it off of the visible screen.

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It may not mean much for keyboard players, but for controller players it means not having to take your hand off the controller to execute a macro.

only diff between action and macro is the typing it in first, they can easily make the main line sets up right as u add the move to it the same as we already are doing. but then u can have the option if wanted to add lines to it for aoe, or gear or whatever else. it's just flexibility. right now it just seems like the middle bar is just slowing down the movement. though u'r right in that a middle bar and both macros' equal 3 spots for moves witch is more efficient. the only real argument is that u rather hit the same button without having to type it in one time? is same thing but more flexibility. and like others mentioned at the most they need to add ways to add macros to the middle bar and just give us that bar thenX2 same thing though.

even now the middle bar falls off when u kill a mob, that is horrible and flipping between all 3 feels too clunky.

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Originally Posted by BlaiseLallaise

It may not mean much for keyboard players, but for controller players it means not having to take your hand off the controller to execute a macro.

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all i do is play with the controller, why do you need to take off your hand off of the controller? right/left trigger and select relevent macro

also changing gear in a macro serves no purpose at the moment as changing gear mid battle gives no stats for the newly equipped gear.

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Originally Posted by Eruantien

all i do is play with the controller, why do you need to take off your hand off of the controller? right/left trigger and select relevent macro

also changing gear in a macro serves no purpose at the moment as changing gear mid battle gives no stats for the newly equipped gear.

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Maybe we have our controllers set up differently. Or maybe I never realized that functionality existed. I will certainly look into that next time I log in.

Better Idea: Make all 3 action/move bars visible a the same time. . . .

I think there should be multiple options in the Configuration menu.

1.) Showing all the actions slots is great for mouse users
2.) Using the numeric keypad is probably the most efficient way to select commands as they are right now
3.) The action bar as is works well for controller users.

I'm not sure what it is about macros that makes them different on the controller in XIV and XI. I think in XI you only had to push the button once and the corresponding macro set would stay up there. In XIV you have to hold the appropriate button then highlight your desired macro and select it. There also seems to be a little more execution lag in XIV. Things aren't as snappy pretty much across the board.

There's a delay between pressing a macro and it actually firing off. There's a delay when pressing an action and it actually firing off. If there was less delay in this area I think people would feel a little more comfortable with the system overall. I think the clunkiness of macros, and the battle system in general, stems from this. Despite XIV's battles being set at a faster pace, they seem clunkier than XI's due to the lag between selection and execution.

in xi you had the option of having it hold triggers or single press from my recolection. But yes very similar

What I dislike about the current Action Bar system is the lack of usability.. If I've taken the time (which I have) to get Gladiator to 50.. Why should I not be able to use all of my abilities and not just 30? 20 of which aren't even Gladiator abilities because of the dreaded open-ended customization this game has.

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Originally Posted by Abraxai

What I dislike about the current Action Bar system is the lack of usability.. If I've taken the time (which I have) to get Gladiator to 50.. Why should I not be able to use all of my abilities and not just 30? 20 of which aren't even Gladiator abilities because of the dreaded open-ended customization this game has.

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because of the dreaded open-ended customization this game has, you'll have ALL the abilities of the classes you exped so far. So would be broken and confusing with so much skills