Mouse over macro issue

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10-03-2013, 12:30 AM
ShiftingFate

Mouse over macro issue

Hi All,

I play SCH and am a huge fan of mouse over casting. I set up my macro as follows:

/macroicon "Physics"
/ac "Physic" <mo>
/ac "Physic" <t>
/ac "Physic" <me>

So ideally this should cast Physics on my mouse over, if i don’t have a mouse over then it should cast it on my target, if my target isn’t friendly then it should cast it on me. Trouble is this macro all the time will sometimes IGNORE both my mouse over and target and hit me with the heal. This has been bad because sometimes that heal is a crucial one.

Does anyone know how i can improve this macro or even better can you just turn on mouse over casting in the UI somewhere?

Thanks everyone for any and all help.

Shift
10-03-2013, 12:33 AM
oda

Pretty sure this is due to the latency issues that many players are experiencing. My SO complains about this all the time -- the only current solution is not to use mouseover and use directly targeted heals instead.
10-03-2013, 12:40 AM
Molly_Millions

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Originally Posted by ShiftingFate

Does anyone know how i can improve this macro or even better can you just turn on mouse over casting in the UI somewhere?

I hope you left the s off the end of Physic

also, the three lines with the same spell seem to me like you're asking for trouble. I'd use 3 separate macros, or always use targeted healing as the poster above said.
10-03-2013, 02:21 AM
Dyrstahl

Furthermore, it should be noticed that having three seperate macro like this in one macro displays a bloody annoying error message right in the middle of your screen (and in your chat). Really annoying.
10-03-2013, 02:39 AM
RedPriest

I do the exact same thing, I turned off errors in chat, but it still shows errors in the middle of your screen. The times when it displays the error "target out of range" it will just cast on you instead so you have to watch the error being displayed. That's the biggest problem with that macro settup is telling if a target is in range. Other times is when you raise a target, it takes forever before you are allowed to actually heal after his/her health shows up. Line of sight is the other error you have to watch out for but you will still cast on yourself.

I've been thinking about taking the <me> out of the macro and see if I get better response from it, but haven't tested it yet... don't know why lol. Every now and again I get the latency issue where there is no reason I should be healing myself but I do >.> but its not that often.
10-03-2013, 02:47 AM
Ruethryl

I ignore the errors with a similar macro setup, but I've also encountered <mo> failing to work with mouse on party member names or over their characters on occasion.. good way to blow a Lustrate for instance >_<;
10-03-2013, 02:52 AM
Ninix

Has nothing to do with latency. The <mo> tag is just bugged and will occasionally provide the /action command with your name instead of the name of the person under your mouse. I reported the bug a few weeks ago (well, and in phase 2/3 also) and it's been moved over to the accepted bugs section so hopefully that means they're doing something about it.

I will say, though, that the bug seems to occur more frequently if you spam your macros. Try to get into the habit of pressing your heal key exactly once and it becomes much more reliable. I've been healing coil using mouseovers and it only fucks up very rarely, certainly not often enough to warrant swapping back to regular target-click casting.

Of course, if you get into a situation where you panic and start mashing the keys (say, because someone's about to die) you're more likely to experience the issue. Kinda sucks.
10-03-2013, 03:11 AM
Viscara

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninix

Has nothing to do with latency. The <mo> tag is just bugged and will occasionally provide the /action command with your name instead of the name of the person under your mouse. I reported the bug a few weeks ago (well, and in phase 2/3 also) and it's been moved over to the accepted bugs section so hopefully that means they're doing something about it.

I will say, though, that the bug seems to occur more frequently if you spam your macros. Try to get into the habit of pressing your heal key exactly once and it becomes much more reliable. I've been healing coil using mouseovers and it only fucks up very rarely, certainly not often enough to warrant swapping back to regular target-click casting.

Of course, if you get into a situation where you panic and start mashing the keys (say, because someone's about to die) you're more likely to experience the issue. Kinda sucks.

Very good to know! Will be great when this gets fixed.
10-03-2013, 03:45 AM
ShiftingFate

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

I hope you left the s off the end of Physic

I just created this quick for an example. I have corrected the spelling in the OP. Thank you.
10-03-2013, 03:47 AM
ShiftingFate

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dyrstahl

Furthermore, it should be noticed that having three seperate macro like this in one macro displays a bloody annoying error message right in the middle of your screen (and in your chat). Really annoying.

I have disabled error messages in chat and hardly notice the error on the screen due to staring at health bars in the heat of battle.
10-03-2013, 03:52 AM
ShiftingFate

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedPriest

I've been thinking about taking the <me> out of the macro and see if I get better response from it, but haven't tested it yet... don't know why lol. Every now and again I get the latency issue where there is no reason I should be healing myself but I do >.> but its not that often.

This is what I did for the time being and it seemed to help a lot in raids. Since in raids you have a bar for yourself to click on and heal when needed. But when your solo its much harder to heal your self without the <me> due to no way to easily select your character in the UI.
10-03-2013, 04:02 AM
RedPriest

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShiftingFate

This is what I did for the time being and it seemed to help a lot in raids. Since in raids you have a bar for yourself to click on and heal when needed. But when your solo its much harder to heal your self without the <me> due to no way to easily select your character in the UI.

Just hitting F1 (default) would solve that tho XD. Also I don't normally solo as a scholar, I go as summoner or another dps class.
10-03-2013, 04:12 AM
ShiftingFate

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedPriest

Just hitting F1 (default) would solve that tho XD. Also I don't normally solo as a scholar, I go as summoner or another dps class.

Good point, I guess now i'm less likely to run into this. I just had to do some soloing as SCH for relic.
10-03-2013, 04:38 AM
KeyboardCowboy

That is a horrible macro to use, stick with <mo> only, ill tell you why.

If by chance you go out of range of the person you are trying to heal with that macro, it will cast it on yourself instead and you will not know it until it's to late, which could lead to a tank death. This is most likely what you are experiencing, being out of range of the person you are trying to <mo> heal.

If you are just using <mo> you will be unable to cast until you move close enough to be in range of the person you are healing, preventing you from accidently healing yourself instead of the tank and being none the wiser.

Bad bad macro, <mo> only.
10-03-2013, 05:01 AM
Roci

Having a naga might make this easier for me, but I run a focus target macro for my tank and MO for everyone else.

I have one spell set just for the tank then one for everyone else.

Shift F to set you focus and <f> should work to heal them.

I also agree that the multi tiered macros have proven less helpful to me. I just use the focus and plain mo macros.
10-03-2013, 05:41 AM
Darkoon

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Originally Posted by KeyboardCowboy

If by chance you go out of range of the person you are trying to heal with that macro, it will cast it on yourself instead and you will not know it until it's to late...

...If you are just using <mo> you will be unable to cast until you move close enough to be in range of the person you are healing, preventing you from accidently healing yourself instead of the tank and being none the wiser.

Bad bad macro, <mo> only.

That was not the case for me, I used the same Macro for a while but even if I was right next to the person I intended to heal, the macro would sometimes malfunction and skip both <mo> and <t>. This issue can also be experienced with DD classes where you have two or more buffs on the macro and it will skip some of the macro lines even though the buffs you intend to use are off the cooldown.
10-03-2013, 06:12 AM
c2alston

I guess everyone has different experiences but I use the same macro and have no issues with it. I do use a Naga mouse don't know if that makes a difference. I just mouse over party bar and I click 1 on the mouse. I don't mouse over the battlefield as I find that it's not that effective for me as mousing over the party bar. I will leave fairy near melee and tank if I'm moving a lot and most of the time the fairy can take care of it, if i'm out of position.