30 days almost up and I still can't enter endgame due to droprate

[TL;DR I have had 1 paladin sword dropped in 205 Ifrit Hard Mode kills. I don't feel geared enough to continue my relic weapon quest with my level 55 green scimitar.]

Hey Guys,

I reached level 50 Paladin a little more than two weeks ago, and have been taking on Ifrit hard mode on a daily basis. I have run the boss 10-15 times a day, which have totaled a whopping 205 runs. I recorded all my drops since I started, as my friend also seemed to have had trouble getting their specific item drop.

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Here are the results:
Warrior Axe: 61 (29.8%)
Scholar's Codex: 42 (20.5%)
Arcanist's Grimoire: 35 (17.1%)
Monk's Arm: 28 (13.7%)
Black Mage's Cudgel: 13 (6.3%)
Dragoons lance: 12 (5.9%)
Bard's Bow: 8 (4%)
White Mage's Staff: 5 (2.4%)
Paladins Sword: 1 (0.5%)

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Now, the fact that I even saw the Paladins Sword, and rolled a need and got 2 is beside the point. The problem I have is this: I have basically mastered this boss fight, attack patterns and all. I have run this with varying parties, such as 6 dps, 1 healer and 1 tank, where I both tank and stun Ifrit, and even going with 5 dps, 2 healers, 1 tank where 1 healer goes cleric stance and dps's for the first half of fight until nails. The best time my party could reach with average level 50 gear was 8 minutes 53 seconds.

I have created numerous parties from having one person of each class in the party to test my theory that if you have varying classes, at least someone will be able to obtain their desired weapon. This did prove to be the case, and the party agreed to rotate out if they got their weapon drop to allow somebody else into the pre-made party to have a chance for their weapon drop as well. It was noted that there was a difference in the usual drop rates, however it returned to its basic pattern of dropping an axe for example, when our Warrior left and we couldn't find another one so we had to use a paladin.

I conclude that I feel as though I have successfully wasted two weeks of my subscription fighting Ifrit hard mode just to progress with end game content. A simple fix to this problem may be implementing a token system similar to the tome system currently in place to obtain your weapon, or to even have a vendor let you trade in two other weapons from a different class for your own class specific weapon.

Thanks for reading guys, and may the light of the twelve shine bright upon you.
SEpls.

EDIT:
Quite soon after posting this thread, I went in and started my relic quest and I am up to Titan Hard mode. I am yet to defeat Titan, however I am using my level 55 GC weapon. I have given up on continuing my quest to obtain Ifrit's blade as I now believe it is not for me.

To those people who commented on this thread completely hating on me: I would not have run Ifrit over 200 times if I knew I would not be able to obtain the sword. I went into this with the mentality that there is RNG in the game, and that EVENTUALLY I would have been able to obtain the sword.
Furthermore, ANY damage increase in a sword assists generating eminity, no matter how small the increase may be.

My goal in this game is to become one of the best paladin's on my server, and assist people throughout the server on any problems that they have running dungeons. Due to this, I went out today and purchased the last 60 day time card at my local gamestop to achieve my goal.

Thanks to everyone who has supported me, and enjoy your days in Eorzea :)

Token system just might work, and I, for one, think it's a great idea! Hoping something comes down, I still haven't seen my lance, yet I have clannies that have gone and said they had it drop 3 times in one day, and of course there were no dragoons to roll a need for it, go figure.

well we used to have individual weapons for each player in party, they had their own chest to open at the end of fight, you would get one of 3 options, 1 was weapon, 2 was the token needed to buy the weapon from the oldman, 3 was empty/gil/coins, but what you got most of time was weapons that you already had, there have had been times where people would go 4/5 times same weapon but since they already had it they would not be able to pick it... or other party members getting what you need and you getting what they needed, but I think this is better way having only 1 weapon at the end of it, or you could hope that they add in tokens back again, where you go and buy the weapon but that needed 15-20 tokens in V1 but they were tradeable, so you could have you fc member get the token for people who need it...

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Originally Posted by Frozenkingk0

I agree with your point and I have no problem continuing the relic quest, however I fail to see how I am going to hold agro on a boss (as I have tried countless times with optimal eminity increasing abilities) with only my level 55 green scimitar when other party member will have Primal weps, or even relic weapons.

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You honestly think a +5ilvl weapon is going to make or break your ability to hold aggro?

I have made this comment in another thread but I want to say it again. It should NOT take pure luck to get your weapon. If you are skilled enough to beat Ifrit so many times...you should get it. You poor people that are fighting him a rediculous amount of times I feel bad for you and really hope I don't have that happen to me, but with my luck I will never get my bow. Hopefully SE takes a look at this and makes this more FAIR.

If I have to fight the SOB 100 times or more I may break my controller. LOL

I've told many people this same thing, it is literally easier to get a relic than try to get any specific relic weapon from any of the primals.

RNG is RNG, I got 50 on my PLD today and got the weapon in my frist Ifrit run. It's not required for you to get relic.

Wouldn't a melded Giantsgall do you well as well? Not on the up and up of weapons these days.

I think it's rather fair that people who have to wait hours to get into a dungeon have a higher rate of drop for their weapon. Bragging that you are able to do content 205 times in 2 weeks just because you have a fast queue (or is an a premade) is not helping your case. Of course I'd had more gladiator swords drop in my runs and still no bow, even though I've done both garuda and titan enough times to get the bows for both of theirs. Random is random.

Welcome to why vertical tiered gear progression is a terrible idea (among many other reasons)

They really need to go back to a horizontal based endgame, IMO

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Originally Posted by Frozenkingk0

I don't feel geared enough to continue my relic weapon quest with my level 55 green scimitar.

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Lol, 55...


Yes, there is a difference.

You really don't need ifrit sword.

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Originally Posted by dontcare

You honestly think a +5ilvl weapon is going to make or break your ability to hold aggro?

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It does in this game, yes. In 1.x it was all on your gear, not just weapon - SE got rid of specialized stats like +/- enmity.

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Originally Posted by Crevox

You really don't need ifrit sword.

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Well, tell that to all the elitist snobs out there who demand that people meet their insane standards.

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Originally Posted by Frozenkingk0

[TL;DR I have had 1 paladin sword dropped in 205 Ifrit Hard Mode kills. I don't feel geared enough to continue my relic weapon quest with my level 55 green scimitar.]

Here are the results:
Warrior Axe: 61 (29.8%)
Scholar's Codex: 42 (20.5%)
Arcanist's Grimoire: 35 (17.1%)
Monk's Arm: 28 (13.7%)
Black Mage's Cudgel: 13 (6.3%)
Dragoons lance: 12 (5.9%)
Bard's Bow: 8 (4%)
White Mage's Staff: 5 (2.4%)
Paladins Sword: 1 (0.5%)

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SE should feel bad for this. What a moronic drop implementation.

This is the exact reason they implemented tokens in 1.0. I'd like to know what idiot thought it was a good idea to remove that system.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

It does in this game, yes. In 1.x it was all on your gear, not just weapon - SE got rid of specialized stats like +/- enmity.

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GC weapon -> Ifrit weapon
Damage: 38 -> 39
Strength: 11 -> 13

Let me ask again, do you honestly think +1 damage and +2 strength is going to be the difference between holding and not holding aggro?

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Originally Posted by dontcare

Entirely your problem. Ifrit weapon is not required to progress the relic weapon quest, you have no one to blame for your lost time but yourself.

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this is true

OP, your iLv55 GC weapon is enough to progress your relic, up until garuda at least
as for Titan, yes you'll need higher level weapon, especially for DPS

or, you could just farm gil and buy iLv 70 giantsgall weapon from the market
in a week, you can earn more than 1 million farming CM

Sorry, I find this hilarious. In the time it took you to run those 200+ ifrits, you could've done 11 CM runs, bought 9 coke, and had someone craft you the i70 sword, which is better than everything but relic...Wasted your time.

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Originally Posted by KageNeko

Sorry, I find this hilarious. In the time it took you to run those 200+ ifrits, you could've done 11 CM runs, bought 9 coke, and had someone craft you the i70 sword, which is better than everything but relic...Wasted your time.

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Well, I'm sorry but I believed with RNG that there would be more than a 0.5% chance of me getting my paladin sword. You know, chance being even and all.

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Originally Posted by Sethys

Well, tell that to all the elitist snobs out there who demand that people meet their insane standards.

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Make a premade or find a group that isn't requiring the better gear. You don't need anything more than a GC weapon to kill Titan. Farming the Ifrit weapon, on ANY class, is a completely pointless endeavor due to the extremely small gain it grants. The majority of people won't even notice it.

Besides that, if you or the OP really wanted to farm for a better weapon, you should've just farmed Garuda, who drops a much better weapon.

Feel you pain, sad but we can't do anything about it, your bad luck must have made up at least 2 people get their weapon at first time.
Maybe SE should secretly implement a rule that, the drop rate will be affected by people's bad luck, so if you are the one in the team with highest number of Boss fights and haven't got the weapon yet, the drop rate for your weapon will be increased.
So people will still have good luck and bad luck, but those bad luck ones won't be getting a desperate stage like OP.

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Originally Posted by UBERHAXED

I think it's rather fair that people who have to wait hours to get into a dungeon have a higher rate of drop for their weapon. Bragging that you are able to do content 205 times in 2 weeks just because you have a fast queue (or is an a premade) is not helping your case. Of course I'd had more gladiator swords drop in my runs and still no bow, even though I've done both garuda and titan enough times to get the bows for both of theirs. Random is random.

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I like how you think that "tanks get instaqueue so it's only fair that their drop rates might be lower" when you fail to realize that if you get 7 other people via shout/friend list/FC/whatever, everyone gets instant queue. But feel free to keep thinking that duty finder is the only way to get into an instance as a DD class.

@OP, RNG sucks but you just gotta deal with it until SE decides to implement a token system or something similar. You could also look into the crafted ilvl70 swords as an alternative, though they are pretty expensive.

It's not the game's fault they took out an existing primal token system that admittedly rarely dropped those tokens in the first place except for the hardest primal, it's clearly your fault for wasting time doing content and trying to get the weapon you actually wanted instead of spending money and tomestones you could be spending on better gear on crafting or buying a craftable weapon. Lern2play and git gud!

Ifrit sword isn't even very good dude. Just go on without it.

I'm sure it's been mentioned, but there is a craftable iLvl 70 sword that is easily on par with Garuda's Gaze when HQ'd, and much better than it when melded. So there are other options. Hell, with the philosophy tokens you obtained from 205 Ifrit Runs you'd have more than enough to buy the coke in order to the craft the sword.

Why is there so much negativity? He got really unlucky with his Ifrit weapon and that sucks. Yeah, he could have moved on, but you guys don't need to lay into the guy so hard because he posted on these forums.

Why do people insist on believing you need Ifirit's weapon? It's marginally better than the second lieutenant GC one. No exaggeration.

Another thing, weapon matters little to tanks. That marginal difference is even more marginal for tanks.

There's really only reason why you should bother going after Ifrit's weapon. Because it looks cool.

damn that's horrible, similar issue happen to me when tryin to farm garuda's sword, i ran like 50 times and only seen it once

30 days after launch and complaining they can not be a part of endgame.

Does this sound, odd to anyone else?

took me near 60 runs to get ifrit sword, lost it 3 times, then brought another pld that already had it with me and finally got it. im having the same issue with garuda though, going to wait until one of my FC members gets it or i will just keep loseing it on roll >.>

May I suggest (perhaps late for you but maybe for others): Rather than focus on only one source for your next equipment, try multiple?
Spend a little time trying Iffy.
Spend a little time trying to gather tomes.
Spend a little time trying to make some gil.

At the end of the day, one of the 3 will come true. Tomes and Gil are at least guaranteed, so they are good fallback if the randomizer on Iffy does not fall in your favour. And random being random, it could fail 1000 times in a row, then give you 1000 paladin swords in a row ^.^;;;

For those who want to feel lucky, there is things like Iffy. For those who want a sure thing, there are tomes & gil & seals. Me, I pick the one that gives me the least frustration : Crafting ^^;;

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

I've told many people this same thing, it is literally easier to get a relic than try to get any specific relic weapon from any of the primals.

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Yes it is, but there's a problem though. When ya get to Titan or sometimes Garuda you're bound to get flamed by the douchebags that probably got lucky and had their rare weapons drop on their first few tries, or had their GC carry their asses through it.

I did 11 ifrit runs for my harpoon and Ive seen the sword drop twice.

The chance of only one blade dropping after 205 attempts is 0.48% aka so unlikely it is not realistic. You still call this purely random?

What I find ironic about this thread is here we have a player who clearly takes pride in his/her performance and wants to put his/her best foot forward when doing endgame content... and he/she is getting slammed for it. Take a moment to reflect on that. Shouldn't you people be encouraging this kind of pride instead of trying to stamp it out?

Seriously... if more players took the time to do their best to ensure they were properly geared, we all would probably be doing a lot better as a community. I myself feel the same way as the OP and am still working on farming CM for my Darklight set... for the exact same reason. I want to put my best foot forward and take great pride in my performance. I won't even attempt Ifrit until I get the full set, whether it's needed/required or not.

Don't listen to these asshats, OP. We need more people taking pride in their gear and performance and less people trying to skate by with the absolute minimum.

I feel your pain, it took 60 runs to get my claws. I saw about half a dozen swords drop btw.

It is worth noting that in that time you could have done enough CM runs to get the crafting mats, sold them and outright bought an ilevel 70 +1 GLA sword. You aren't at the mercy of the RNG if you don't want to be.

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Originally Posted by oberonQA

What I find ironic about this thread is here we have a player who clearly takes pride in his/her performance and wants to put his/her best foot forward when doing endgame content... and he/she is getting slammed for it. Take a moment to reflect on that. Shouldn't you people be encouraging this kind of pride instead of trying to stamp it out?

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Complete agree with you, myself playing as a dps char, the difference in wpn does make a noticeable difference, especially in a lot of the games end game content that has DPS check, eg. wall, nails, sisters, plumes, heart.

it took me around 60 attempts before i got my lance, this community makes me laugh we have people moaning that people aren't gearing well enough or trying to ge geared up for content; then when the OP says he wants to be he best he can to help his party succeed he gets flamed because he has bad luck.

Just farm tomes with your i55 weapon and craft an i70 sword. Simple right? I dont know why you waste your time farming random drop if you can just farm cm and craft one

http://i.imgur.com/wc8oNoL.png

I'd go straight to Garuda and skip Ifrit. What we do in our LS is that we let everyone pick 1 weapon as priority loot and when it drops, they can loot for it (possibly against others with same priority). When a person gets their first priority weapon, they can pick another one, but will be second priority for that after everyone with first priority have gotten theirs. I think the system has worked very well and can recommend it to other groups.