Just curious. I have a lot of friends. I can ask them all to move to me, but I don't want to. It's kind of rude.
I would be willing to give up all of my gil and non-rare/ex items to transfer my existing character. Yes, I'd have a mount, some event items, and a different storyline than everyone else. But it seems unfair to give me the options of forcing all of my friends to hop servers vs. losing some of the perks that I got for playing through 1.0.
In the end, the only "advantages" (in the long run) of having a legacy character are the non-tradeable ones, so I don't see the problem in transferring characters with 0 gil and 0 items. If anything, I'd be at a disadvantage with the way earning gil works in this game. And just to be clear, my character is nowhere near all 50s. There are characters on new worlds that surpass me in level and gear both.
Could legacy characters transfer with gil/item reset?
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10-02-2013, 08:22 AMMychaelCould legacy characters transfer with gil/item reset?
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10-02-2013, 08:44 AMGinTama
Don't really get your post, but just pointing out that you can't transfer a character from a legacy server to a "new" server. Its not planned for the start of the server transfer program.
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10-02-2013, 09:00 AMMychaelWhich is what I'm asking for. People are worried that legacy character transfers would have an unfair advantage to monopolize new servers, I'm asking that they allow legacy transfers with no items/gil.Quote:
Originally Posted by GinTama
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10-02-2013, 09:02 AMAlhanelem
I'm sorry but I don't see the point. Either create a character on a new server or wait for the transfers off legacy worlds to be avialable.
This whole "can i erase my progress but keep my vanity items' thing is silly. I can't imagine for the life of me why someone would want to do that.
And transfering but NOT keeping your vanity crap makes even less sense. Just create a new freakin character. -
10-02-2013, 09:03 AMDisturbedYou can't see why someone would want to play with their friends.. Your life must suck dude.. find some.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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10-02-2013, 09:06 AMMychaelBecause I paid RL money (subscriptions)to get my vanity items, and they're the only thing that my old character has that a new character wouldn't. If I create a "temporary" new character, I would have to try to keep up progress on both characters, so that I could eventually transfer my legacy when I'm allowed. I'm actually doing atm, and it's proving a pain in the arse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
Playing alone until transfers are available is of course an option, but not a lot of FC's are open to "Hey, I just need to join for a few months. No one get to know me because I'll leave you all eventually." Playing the game without friends kind of defies the point of playing an MMO. -
10-02-2013, 09:19 AMAzuruslets just ignore the fact that the new servers are already on par with the legacy ones in every single way, heck the new servers are probably already monopolized anyway and IK they are just as far along content wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by GinTama
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10-02-2013, 09:22 AMElegance
As much as I'd hate to see anyone running around on goobues this early on my server >_>
If anyone's willing to give up all their items/gil, I honestly would have nothing against it as a non legacy player, after all the only real reasons it shouldn't be allowed are economical ones. -
10-02-2013, 09:45 AMAlhanelemUh I can see why someone would want to play with friends- but why would you want to more or less wipe your character in the process? I say either transfer your character, 100% intact, or create a new one on your friends server.Quote:
Originally Posted by Disturbed
WHere in my post did I say I don't have friends or that I can't see why someone would want to play with friends? that's not what my post was about at all.
All the items you paid money for will be on new characters you create. You can verify this now. Create a new character on any server. you will recieve all the bonus items that are associated with your account.Quote:
Because I paid RL money (subscriptions)to get my vanity items, and they're the only thing that my old character has that a new character wouldn't.
The only things you can't get you didn't pay money for (direcrly): The goobbue, and the mark on your back.
If you're trying to play with friends (as people are ridiculing me for allegedly failing to understand, when in fact i haven't), why can't they transfer to your server?Quote:
Playing alone until transfers are available is of course an option, but not a lot of FC's are open to "Hey, I just need to join for a few months. No one get to know me because I'll leave you all eventually." Playing the game without friends kind of defies the point of playing an MMO.
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10-02-2013, 09:48 AMMychaelGoobbue, legacy mark, 10-15 event items, shoes for ffxi+ffxiv simultaneous subscription, etc. More than you think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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10-02-2013, 10:01 AMGilraen
What gets me about some of these replies is the talk that Legacy players will ruin servers. I would like to see how in this current environment, what with how people on all servers are now complaining about dwindling economies I'd imagine the influx of gil would be a godssend. The only reason I can think of for all the hate is the stuff that they have that can't be had anymore.
That said, I don't think anything was said at TGS about excluding Legacy players from transfering. The talk of their exclusion was back before the free transfers of the Beta, things have changed since then as I'm sure noone had anticipated people grinding through the content to get to the barely completed end game. A Legacy transferring to a new world now would have about as much impact as a drunk moogle. -
10-02-2013, 10:02 AMWelsper59I think the point was that it's not that big of a deal. If playing with friends takes precedence over vanity goods of a character, you do what you gotta do (make a new character). If it doesn't, then... friends take a backseat for now. Work within limitations, it's not that bad. Seriously, it's not the end of the world to make decisions for yourself that "sacrifices" something in a video game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mychael
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10-02-2013, 12:54 PMRaymeoNor is it the end of the world to question a needless restrition. Come on forum people, you're paying for a product here. Try having some expectations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Welsper59
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10-02-2013, 01:09 PMAlhanelemIt's not a needless restriction, it's a feature that's never existed in any MMO i've ever heard of, there is no precedent for this. there are plenty of ways aroudn the issue. If you can't go to them, have them come to you. or wait for going to them to become possible. there IS a reason why legacy players can transfer off. Offering to wipe everything on your character except vanity items is such a niche service I can't forsee them ever adding that, especially when the majority of interest in it would go away as soon as transfers off legacy worlds are available.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raymeo
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Usually there does. basically, if it's never been necessary before, it's not likely to be necessary now. There are many mmos out there just like this one and none of them have had to offer this.Quote:
Despite what most people on these forums think, there doesn't have to be a precedent for everything,
The only reason this issue exists is you can't transfer off of a legacy world right now. It's a TEMPORARY RESTRICTION to protect the economies of the other servers that will eventually be removed.
There are two very obvious simple solutions, that eliminate the need for your desired service: Either your friend transfers to your world (I see no reason why he can't) or you wait until you can and transfer to his. To have square enix waste time developing a subsystem that loses most of its value as soon as the temporary restriction is lifted is a waste of SE's development time for too little benefit.
This really shouldn't require an explanation, as Yoshida and SE have talked about this many times, but the reason is economic. Many new servers were created for people who wanted a "fresh start" with a completely brand new economy and no preexisting items. Because of this, we have the legacy worlds full of people with many level 50 jobs and lots of gil or sellable/tradable items. To suddenly introduce all this gil / goods into a server which is brand new without these goods would be a shock to that server's economy. For this reason SE wants to wait until the economies of all the servers have more equalized. It's not hard to see these economic differences. The large-gil bans you may have read about were temp bans applied only on non-legacy servers for people who had exhorbitiant amounts of gil that could not have realisitcally been obtained in the amount of time the game has been online. These temp bans were not imposed on the legacy servers because the legacy worlds already had large amounts of gil in the system so it was much more plausible for someone to have that much money.Quote:
So tell me then... As you continue to insist that there IS a reason for why Legacy players can't transfer off of Legacy servers, would you care to enlighten me as to what that reason is?
It is far from unusual for any MMO to restrict transfers to a new world for a certain period of time for this very reason. FFXIV is merely the first MMO which had many already-populated servers due to version 1.0's demise.
Like I said, the restriction is temporary and will be lifted as the gaps between the legacy and nonlegacy servers fade over time. We WILL be able to transfer off the legacy worlds- just not yet.
There is no shenanigans. Go create a character on both a legacy and nonlegacy server right now. Compare the market price histories. There are major differences between legacy and nonlegacy worlds. The differences were largest at day 1 of launch, and over time the differences will decrease (the more gil you have, the more that gets taken out of the system, which contributes to equalization).Quote:
Because until we're shown actual data, I call shenanigans on the vague economy comment that we've been fed, which would indeed make this a needless restriction.
--deep breath--
At any rate, the economic reasons being given are real, significant reasons. It's not just some cockamamie nonsense someone made up to ruin your day. -
10-02-2013, 01:47 PMRaymeoDespite what most people on these forums think, there doesn't have to be a precedent for everything, nor does something being a precedent automatically make it a great idea. We have brains, and mine hurts every time I read a comment that blindly says, "This is how it should be because it's the way it's always been in other games!" or "Don't question the devs! You're too entitled if you think that developers should listen to player feedback! This is THEIR game, so if you don't like their way of doing things then find another game to play!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
So tell me then... As you continue to insist that there IS a reason for why Legacy players can't transfer off of Legacy servers, would you care to enlighten me as to what that reason is? Because so far all that's been said by the developers is the vague comment about it being due to "economic conditions." The thinking man, however, would question how introducing gil to struggling economies is a bad thing. This is especially odd when considering that, if the gil patch from a couple of weeks ago is anything to base an assumption on (probably safe to say it is, otherwise why did we get the patch?), all servers -- especially new ones -- were very recently faced with a major gil shortage, therefore new servers are probably in significant need of a revitalizing boost. So what's this reason that you're standing by, and how would you back it up? Because until we're shown actual data, I call shenanigans on the vague economy comment that we've been fed, which would indeed make this a needless restriction. -
10-02-2013, 02:43 PMchubnasty
please keep your legacy only vanity items (mounts) off non-legacy servers
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10-02-2013, 03:10 PMGradleinSadly, this seems to be the real reason why most people don't want 1.0 characters on non-Legacy servers ( I saw the same thing on the JP forums).Quote:
Originally Posted by chubnasty