What is up with the DF community?

In 15 years of MMOing, this is the first time I've found myself actively not wanting to progress through endgame because the endgame community just... terrible. Every run I have been has had some breakdown between a dps and the tank, a healer and the tank, the two tanks, etc etc. Suddenly its rage, tears and quitting, the DF working overtime trying to keep our poor teams at 8 people.

And the worst part? None of it is necessary. The slights are small- some tank misses 1 mob which doesn't remotely come close to killing someone. Some dps missed a red circle and gets hit with a large attack. Tiny, inane little things that set everyone off like it's the end of the world. 0_o

As much as people saying "WoW is a cesspool because of its random group finder!", I can say that I never had the mispleasure of seeing even a fraction of the QQing that I've seen in this game so far.

FF11 was supposed to be this awesome, amazing community, right? What happened in 14 to change that so.

I think maybe it's because this game is so much less forgiving of even the smallest mistakes, that people get angry much faster, and as such things turn sour against other players very easily. That other tired game allows for people to make mistakes and move on without much of a stir - almost laughably - so people care less there when individuals make minor errors. Only major ones get under people's skin there.

It's because most good players run with either FC people or are shouting in Mor Dhona to get a pre-made party of competent, well-geared players. The leftovers usually use DF.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19

that says it all.

"DF community"

There is no such thing as a Duty Finder community. Your server is your community, and since there is no reputation loss, the anonymity that duty finder provides (in the sense of cross server) people frankly care about other people. Personally I hope to see these people drop after a 2-3 months.

It's a jaded view, but I can say you aren't the only one who is very disappointed in their fellow players found through duty finder. You tend to find more bad apples rather good in duty finder. :|

I completely agree with you. The way you worded your post got me thinking. You said that it is your progress through endgame. I'm not quite there myself, but when you said endgame I started thinking and I have a question. Is it your experience within the Duty Finder or is it also within your's and other's FC or LS?

And that is what I think is the real problem with the Duty Finder. The FFXI days communities were built on game mechanics that made you party with a minimum of 6 people as a team, starting at Lv.10-12. That was it. It was learn to play as an effective member on a team or hit a brick wall of zero progression. It made people more communal. Every bit of story, quest, leveling, etc required committed people that did not leave until the Key Quest Item was obtained.

We don't have that in this game. We have a "Click and Buy" dungeon menu for which we are only going into for loot. How could an instantaneous menu system for treasure not breed toxicity?

DF Community is the FFXIV Community..

In DF people more often fight with each other rather than primals or anything. :C
You may get some decent people sometimes, but really DF is only good for learning the fight/dungeon and then at least get in a pick up group in Revenant's Toll.

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Originally Posted by randomrope

And that is what I think is the real problem with the Duty Finder. The FFXI days communities were built on game mechanics that made you party with a minimum of 6 people as a team, starting at Lv.10-12. That was it. It was learn to play as an effective member on a team or hit a brick wall of zero progression. It made people more communal. Every bit of story, quest, leveling, etc required committed people that did not leave until the Key Quest Item was obtained.

We don't have that in this game. We have a "Click and Buy" dungeon menu for which we are only going into for loot. How could an instantaneous menu system for treasure not breed toxicity?

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Well said, there is no need to work together in this game and grow as a player. Ffxi got bad after 7 years, before that it was almost unheard of to be chastised for party performance.It was my first mmo and everyone was super helpful. Can we blame WoW for the current state of mmo players?

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Originally Posted by randomrope

Is it your experience within the Duty Finder or is it also within your's and other's FC or LS?

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For me it has just been Duty Finder. I haven't had a great deal of issue with folks on my server, but on DF? Holy crap.

Actually had someone threaten to report me and a random tank for greifing because I missed 1 charge mechanic on hard mode Ifrit and died because of it, and the tank missed 2 stuns in a row. They and one of their friends both planned to do the reporting.

3-7 day ban for missing a charge / missing 2 stuns. That would be all kinds of epic.