Jobs | Classes - Okay, I'm confused.

Right, so I've done some research and all it did was confuse me completly.
I do not understand the current Job system.
I'm a conjurer, does that mean once I hit lvl 30 I will be able to get to be a White Mage? Can I choose? Or can I stay a conjurer? If I stay a conjurer is it better for my end game as a healer? If I go white mage, will I get picked more often as they are the "pure healer class"?
I do know that to become a WM I need to be lvl 30 Conjurer and lvl 15 Arcanist - someone mind explaining that too?!
As you see questions over questions!
I'd appreciate any links to helpful websites or replies that clear some things about the job system in FFXIV!

Kind regards,
Serenity

http://www.infobarrel.com/Final_Fant...stem_Explained

cheers

My understanding, new as well, is that we need to level up our main class to level 30 and our secondary supporting class, for me Gladiator (Class) (30) and Conjurer (Class) (15) to become a Paladin (Job)...the recomendations i have seen are to level up the main class first and then go back and do the secondary one. Also to not do all of the side quests as they will be needed to level up our secondary character.

Job is more of a piece of equipment to best compare it. You can resume leveling classes and jobs take the same level as the class it is augmented from.

Vell's explanation may help:

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Since there is a a lot of confusion about how the class system works in FFXIV: ARR, I decided to write this guide to clear up matters. I need to make a bunch of corrections and edit this some more, but this is what I have so far. If you see any mistakes or have anything to add, please let me know.

First and foremost, you must understand the difference between disciples, classes and jobs else get confused.

Disciples :

There are 4 disciple types in the game. Disciple types in FFXIV are nothing more than general headings for the 4 different methods to do anything in game. They are Disciples of War (using physical weapons for battle), Disciples of Magic (using magic for battle), Disciples of the Land (gathering), and Disciples of the Hand (crafting). Disciples have no levels and cannot progress in any way, they are nothing more than descriptive headings.

Classes:

Each class can be leveled from 1 to 50, but unlike many other games, a single character can level up as many classes as they wish. To change your class, simply equip the weapon / tool specific to the class you want to become anytime you are NOT in combat. You must finish the initial tutorial quest line before you can change jobs (the quest line finishes at about level 15 and must only be done once). You must also talk to a different NPC once for each class to unlock it (the NPC is always the head of NPC guild for the class found in one of the 3 capital cities). If you level a Marauder to 35 and then decide to try healing as a Conjurer, just change your weapon to a wand and you will be set back to level 1 to start leveling as the new class. If you change back to a Marauder, you go back to level 35 and continue leveling it from where you left off. Your base stats change depending on your current class and level.

Each disciple type has classes inside of them and these are what you will be leveling for the entire game. Disciple of War's classes are Archer (bow, ranged dps), Gladiator (sword, melee tank), Lancer (spear, mid-ranged melee DPS), Marauder (Two-handed axe, heavy melee DPS), and Pugilist (Claws and knuckles, avoidance/elemental melee DPS). Disciples of Magic's classes are Arcanist (Books, pet based spellcasting), Conjurer (Wands, support and offensive spellcasting), and Thaumaturge (Staves, debuffs and offensive spellcasting). These classes are what you will be using when fighting enemies. They level up as can be expected of any other MMO, through killing and completing quests (which mostly involve killing stuff).

Disciples of the Hand (crafters) and Disciples of the Land (gatherers) also have their own classes so they need to level from 1-50 just as any Disciple of War or Disciple of Magic; however, they do not gain their experience through battle, but rather, through crafting, gathering, and special non-combat quests. A disciple of the hand could easily level from 1-50 without ever touching an enemy simply through crafting and it's associated quests along with the use of the in game auction house; however, despite having abilities to avoid battle, a disciple of the land may have some difficulty accessing resources without a good battle ready class to better deal with enemies that are blocking the way. Disciples of the Hand's classes are Alchemist (Alembics), Armorer (Raising Hammers), Blacksmith (Cross-pein Hammers), Carpenter (Handsaws), Cullinarian (skillets), Goldsmith (chaser hammers), Leatherworker (Headknives) and Weaver (Needles). Disciples of the Land's classes are Botanist (hatchets), Fisher (Fishing rods) and Miner (pickaxes).

Cross Class Skills

In every individual class at level 5 and every 5 level after that, you unlock one slot where you can put in an ability from another classthat you have unlocked through leveling it. You never have to use cross class slots for abilities from your current class; you always have access to all of them. At max level (50), you will have 10 cross class slots. This gives you a lot of flexibility and encourages you to try out other classes.

There are some restrictions however. Many, but not all, usable skills earned in the first 34 levels of other classes can be slotted; however, most skills earned above level 34 are class exclusive (cannot be used in cross-class slots). Many skills are also restricted by their discipline type (for example, all offensive spells require that you are a Disciple of Magic, and most Disciple of the Hand and Land skills cannot be used with Disciples of Magic or War). Other restrictions may also apply such as requiring a shield or a melee weapon. Cross-class skills scale in power based on the level of the class it is equipped on.

Skills used in cross-class slots are just as effective as when they are on their original class; however, they may not perform just as well because of two main reasons. First, when an ability is used cross-class, there is a good chance that the ability is not based off the same stats as the class it came from has an abundance of. For example, the cure spell uses the MND (mind) stat, a stat rarely used by any non-healing class thus using cure on any Discipline of War character will likely result in poor healing. Second, every class also has access to passive 'traits' which cannot be used cross-class and often enhance the effects of spells. For example, Lancers have an ability called 'invigorate' which instantly replenishes 200 TP (the resource used for most physical attack abilities). While any class can equip this ability with equal effect, at level 36 only Lancers gain access to a passive trait called 'exhilarate' which increases the TP gain of 'invigorate' from 200 to 450.

To find out what skills each class has, please check the following wiki links:

As of the writing of this guide, the information on these links is still out of date (ARR Beta Phase 3).

not all of these links have pages :)

Disciples of War:

Archer
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/A...al_Fantasy_XIV)
Gladiator
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/G...Fantasy_XIV%29
Lancer
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/L...al_Fantasy_XIV)
Marauder
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Marauder
Pugilist
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Pugilist

Disciples of Magic

Arcanist
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/A...al_Fantasy_XIV)
Conjurer
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/C...al_Fantasy_XIV)
Thaumaturge
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Thaumaturge


Disciples of the Hand

Alchemist
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/A...al_Fantasy_XIV)
Armorer
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Armorer
Blacksmith
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Blacksmith
Carpenter
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Carpenter
Culinarian
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Culinarian
Goldsmith
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Goldsmith
Leatherworker
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Leatherworker
Weaver
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Weaver


Disciples of the Land

Botanist
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Botanist
Fisher
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Fisher
Miner
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Miner


The following wiki is quickly becoming more up to date than the previous links. If you know of a page with information that is more up to date / accurate, please comment on this guide and I will change the links.

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Category:Classes


Jobs

Jobs are very simply the sacrifice of versatility in exchange for specialization. A lot of players prefer to use the specialization of jobs when in parties while the versatility of classes is often better suited to soloing. Every Disciple of War and Magic class in the game has access to one or more jobs.

Jobs share the level and ALL abilities and passive traits with the class it is based on. Gladiators for example may specialize in tanking and become Paladins by equipping a Paladin soul crystal. Paladins have access to all Gladiator abilities and passive traits plus a few very powerful Paladin-exclusive tanking abilities that can only be earned through quests. The trade-off is that they only get half the cross-class slots; one every 10 levels instead of the usual one ever 5 levels (so a level 45 Paladin gets only 4 slots instead of the usual 9) and they may only use cross-class skills from two predetermined classes (in the case of a Paladin, Conjurer and Marauder). Remember, Gladiator is NOT cross-class for a Paladin, a Paladin IS a Gladiator that is specialized in tanking.

The quest to unlock a Job always requires that the player is level 30 plus 15 levels in one other predetermined class (in the case of Paladins, 15 levels of Conjurer is also required). While a class and its associated jobs share level, each has its own set of predetermined stats (so a Paladin does not have the same stats as a Gladiator despite having the same skills, traits and level). A player may un-equip a soul crystal at any time to return to their base class, thus regaining their cross class slots and having access to more cross-class skills but they lose access to their specialized Job-only skills. It should also be noted that some equipment is restricted to certain jobs.

To add to clarity regarding levels, whenever you are leveling a base class (like Gladiator), you are also leveling all its jobs to the same level at the same time (so your Paladin job will always be the same level as your Gladiator class). The inverse is also true. If you are leveling a job, you are leveling all other jobs of the same base class (even the ones you don't have or have not been released yet) and the actual base class at the same time. As another example, the Arcanist class has two jobs, Scholar and Summoner. Your Archanist, Scholar and Summoner levels will always be the same, even if you don't have Summoner yet. A summoner simply adds more specialized offense summons to the Archanist while the Scholar adds more specialized hots and support.

The following is a list of the current jobs. Text in bold indicates the base class, italics indicate the available cross class skills and (Lv. X) indicates what level is needed to unlock the quest to obtain the job.

Bard: Archer (Lv. 30), Conjurer, Lancer
Paladin: Gladiator (Lv. 30), Conjurer, Marauder
Dragoon: Lancer (Lv. 30), Marauder, Archer
Warrior: Marauder (Lv. 30), Gladiator, Pugilist
Monk: Pugilist (Lv. 30),Gladiator, Lancer
Summoner: Arcanist (Lv. 30), Arcanist?, ?
Scholar: Arcanist (Lv. 30), Conjurer?, ?
White Mage: Conjurer (Lv. 30), Thaumaturge, Arcanist
Black Mage: Thaumaturge (Lv. 30), Arcanist, Archer

Note, the Lv. 15 class requirements to unlock jobs are not yet known. At least some available cross-class skill sets have changed from 1.0. Anything with a question mark after it is unconfirmed as of phase 3 of the ARR beta.

For some great information about what skills are usable with what class/job, check out this google document by sorrowfool from reddit.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...YTVdCSkE#gid=0

For a list of abilities each job can do, check the bottom of the base class it is based off of at the following link. Please note that a lot of the information here is out of date such as which cross-class classes each job has access to.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/F...#Armory_System


EXTRA: An Example of a Typical Player Using the Class / Job System as They Level

You have just created a new character. He is a Hyur (human) Archer. You start the game and begin to kill things, do quests and level up. At level 8 you decide you want to try out a Conjurer but find out that you can't because you have not yet completed the tutorial quest line that ends at level 15. You get to level 15 and finish the questline that allows you to change your class. You then head to the capital city of Gridania where the Conjurer's guild is located and talk to the NPC head of that guild to unlock the Conjurer class. You then promptly equip yourself with a wand and your level reverts to a level 1 Conjurer. Because most quests are not repeatable and you cannot handle level 15+ quests/monters in the area you have been questing in, you go killing enemies and doing quests in another one of the three starting areas. After getting to level 6 you get access to the Cure and Protect spells so you decide to switch back to an archer by equipping a bow. You continue leveling your Archer from where you left off before, level 15.

Since your archer is level 15, it has 3 cross-class slots (one every 5 levels). You decide to slot in the cure and protect spells from your Conjurer for added survivability. You would like to slot in stoneskin from Conjurer as well, but you did not get to a high enough level as a Conjurer to unlock it so your third slot remains empty for now.

You continue to level your archer and find that you really like being a ranged DPS so you start doing dungeons with 6 other people from your free company (guild) that you joined. As soon as you reach level 30 as an Archer, you decide that you like partying to do dungeons so much that you want to get the Bard job which adds very powerful group buffs to your Archer. You go to do the quest to get Bard but find that it is not available to you yet because you also need your conjurer to be level 15 as a requirement and you only leveled it up to level 6 before.

Once again, you change your bow to a wand and your level changes from a level 30 Archer to a level 6 Conjurer as a result. You head back to a low level area that you have never quested in before and start grinding quests and and mobs until you are level 18. Although you only need a level 15 Conjurer to gain access to the Bard job quest, you decide to keep leveling your Conjurer to 34 so that you can get access to the 'stoneskin' spell, a spell that lets you shield yourself from some damage. As soon as your Conjurer reaches level 34, you decide that you may as well talk to the Pugilist guild NPC, equip a claw and become a level 1 Pugilist because at level 8 it unlocks the powerful 'second wind' ability, a free instant heal that can be used every 120 seconds. After reaching level 8 as a Pugilist, you put your bow back on, change back to a level 30 Archer, and put the 'stoneskin' spell from Conjurer and 'second wind' ability from Pugilist into two of your empty Archer cross-class slots.

With the level 30+ Archer and level 15+ Conjurer requirements met, you grab some friends and go do the quest to gain access to the Bard job. Upon completion of the Bard quest, you receive a Bard Soul Crystal. You try to equip it but it will not equip. Oops, your class is set to Conjurer and the Bard soul crystal can only be equiped on an Archer. You change back to your Archer, equip the Bard Soul Crystal, and find that a few things have changed. Your base stats are a little bit different and you now have access to one new ability, 'Ballad of Magi' which when activated provides MP regeneration to your entire party, a buff that especially the spell casting party members drool over. You ask your free company if one ability is all you get (even if it is a powerful ability) and they let you know that you can get 4 more buff abilities later by completing the appropriate quests. It turns out that Job abiities can only be earned through quests. You also go to look at your cross-class skills and notice they all got unequiped. You also notice that you only have 3 cross-class slots available where you had 7 before. It seems that by using a job, you only get one cross-class slot every 10 levels instead of the usual every 5. You decide to use the 'Raise' level 12 Conjurer spell to bring back dead party members, the 'Ensuna' Conjurer spell to remove debuffs from yourself and party members, and the 'Second Wind' Pugilist ability for emergency heals. But wait, the game will not let you take 'Second Wind' as a cross-class ability anymore. You complain to your free company that your game is broken and they laugh at you while letting you know that as long as you have the Bard Soul Crystal equiped, you can only take cross-class skills from Lancer and Conjurer. You really want 'second wind', especially for soloing, but the Bard buffs are just too strong in parties so you give up on 'second wind' for now and use 'Protect', a Conjurer spell instead.

With your new Bard job equipped on your Archer, you continue to do DPS with your Archer abilities in group dungeons just like before except with one major difference; you keep getting spammed with requests to join people's dungeon groups since they all want your newly gained Bard buffs. After doing tons of group content all the way to level 41 Archer/Bard, you decide that you want to go back to soloing for a while. While the Bard buffs are really strong in a group, they are not so powerful when you are alone. You would prefer getting double the cross-class skills and access to abilities from classes outside of Archer, Conjurer and Lancer such as the 'second wind' ability from Pugilist while you are leveling by yourself so you remove your Bard Soul Crystal, lose access to just one ability (the only Bard ability you have access to at the moment, 'Ballad of Magi') and change from a level 41 Archer/Bard to just a plain level 41 Archer.

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http://ffxivrealm.com/guides/job-cla...m-explained.6/

Each job has its own class requirements which must be met in order to choose that job.

Example: When you reach level 30 as a CNJ and level 15 as an ACN, you will unlock a quest with the Conjurer's Guild which will unlock the WHM job.

I'm sure you're aware how to change classes (by changing your equipped weapon). Changing jobs is a bit different. When you complete your level 30 quest to gain the WHM job, you are rewarded with a soul crystal. When these crystals are equipped, they grant you that job.

Example: You are a level 30+ CNJ and have completed the job quest to obtain the WHM soul crystal. While having CNJ as your current class, you would simply equip the WHM soul crystal and voila! You are now a WHM!

You do not have to play as a WHM and could continue on as a CNJ all the way up to 50 if you wish. Your WHM job will always be there waiting for you if you want to play it, and will always be the same level as your CNJ class.

I hope that helps, and I really hope I haven't confused you even more!

So basically, I can be all in one?! A WH, a paladin, a dragoon - all I need to do is change my weapon and level?

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Originally Posted by Enticed

So basically, I can be all in one?! A WH, a paladin, a dragoon - all I need to do is change my weapon and level?

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Yup! You can be any class/job on one character. That's one of the things I love most about this game. I've always been such a huge "alt-o-holic" in past MMOs, and now I can finally put all that work into one character.

And each job levels along with its primary class.

Leveling CNJ raises the level of WHM, and vice versa.

Agreed, the design of this game is brilliant and breaks ground for MMOs with some wonderful innovations we have all wanted.

This is one reason...because we can be all in one that they closed character creation and it really does not impede game play as much as some may have feared...to get thru the bottleneck of servers demand for now. For this game it is not a big deal...

Thank you so much for this thread! I am beginning to understand more!! Would it be good to pick up the gathering skills asap?