Some of the Paladin changes I'll like to see in 8.0..

Give Paladins a Raise! We're Holy Knights.. we should be able to raise people..

Remove Total Eclipse and Prominence. I never liked them. I always thought they looked dumb and replace them with Shield Lob (Shield bounce off each mob) and Shield Smite.

And give us back Rage of Halone! Thats move is amazing.
Royal Authority looks stupid and feels weak.

When Your Holy spirit /Holy Circle procs, They should be off GCD. So you can Cast it and still be on your rotation.

These are just some changes I would LOVE to see.

Everyone has a raise now with Phoenix Downs. Having them in battle would really unbalance raid content even more given how much easier it is for tanks to survive over other roles. It would literally become a strat for tanks to survive a mech > rez healer > healer LB3.

Total Eclipse and Prominence were given to us because we had no AoE originally, except for Circle of Scorn. We actually had no AoE attack GCD at all. I don't think they look dumb, but they obviously just kinda copied Samurai's AoE which did a similar thing. And honestly, it made sense to sweep in a circle when we want to produce a circle AoE.

Replacing it with Shield Lob makes no sense to me. Shield Lob looks far more dumb than Total Eclipse does. Shields aren't boomerangs. I feel like I've heard this being a feature in WoW, so I think you're just wanting WoW.

It would be quite nice, honestly, if Shield Lob flat out was replaced with an instant cast version of Holy Spirit, or if Shield Lob procced it. Maybe a bit less damage, since it would have no cast, but there are just mechanics where you absolutely can't stop for a moment or you'll get clipped and that can push you into Shield Lob over Holy Spirit if your burst isn't up.

I've never thought of Royal Authority as weak. It just felt better when it combo'd the way it was designed, which I think was off Savage Blade. Same with Rage of Halone - it felt better when it combo'd off Savage Blade. And likewise, Goring Blade was designed to feel good when comboing off Riot Blade. It did make more sense all the DPS combos going off Riot Blade from a functional standpoint though, because it made it less confusing, but the reason they might "look" weak is because what preceded them affects if they make sense or look good.

My pal Miguel85NYC, have you not mentioned over the many years here and all social media that you were on the verge of quitting FFXIV, so I don't see how even if SE did PLD revamp in 8.0 that it would even matter to you :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Everyone has a raise now with Phoenix Downs. Having them in battle would really unbalance raid content even more given how much easier it is for tanks to survive over other roles. It would literally become a strat for tanks to survive a mech > rez healer > healer LB3.

Total Eclipse and Prominence were given to us because we had no AoE originally, except for Circle of Scorn. We actually had no AoE attack GCD at all. I don't think they look dumb, but they obviously just kinda copied Samurai's AoE which did a similar thing. And honestly, it made sense to sweep in a circle when we want to produce a circle AoE.

Replacing it with Shield Lob makes no sense to me. Shield Lob looks far more dumb than Total Eclipse does. Shields aren't boomerangs. I feel like I've heard this being a feature in WoW, so I think you're just wanting WoW.

It would be quite nice, honestly, if Shield Lob flat out was replaced with an instant cast version of Holy Spirit, or if Shield Lob procced it. Maybe a bit less damage, since it would have no cast, but there are just mechanics where you absolutely can't stop for a moment or you'll get clipped and that can push you into Shield Lob over Holy Spirit if your burst isn't up.

I've never thought of Royal Authority as weak. It just felt better when it combo'd the way it was designed, which I think was off Savage Blade. Same with Rage of Halone - it felt better when it combo'd off Savage Blade. And likewise, Goring Blade was designed to feel good when comboing off Riot Blade. It did make more sense all the DPS combos going off Riot Blade from a functional standpoint though, because it made it less confusing, but the reason they might "look" weak is because what preceded them affects if they make sense or look good.

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Im guessing you never heard of Captain America.. And Shield Lop will never be replaced. We need more SHELD attacks. and Making it a AOE would be awesome

A raise effect should be nowhere near the same post code as a Tank's kit...

We did have Raise... once.... years ago (up til Stormblood) - when the old cross-class abilities were available and thus we could crossclass CNJ abilities, hence Raise was available for use by PLD. Few players bothered though as it couldn't be cast by PLD in battle and thus was considered a wasted slot on a PLD's hotbar (due to CNJ/WHM having a class trait that allowed that very thing), and hence when role abilities replaced the crossclass system, Raise was not included.

I did used to have it on my hotbar though as it was useful for raising someone KO'd on the fly that I came across out in the field (rare but it does happen)... but it's not that much harder to simply switch classes to CNJ/WHM and Swiftcast/Raise them anyway. And with Phoenix Downs now being altered and made more useful, I don't see SE changing this.

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

A raise effect should be nowhere near the same post code as a Tank's kit...

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It shouldn't be in a DPS kit either really but we have summoner and red mage.

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Originally Posted by NightHour

It shouldn't be in a DPS kit either really but we have summoner and red mage.

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Tanks with a rez would be significantly more damaging to the game than Verraise is, look at Jeeqbit's brief description above.

I don't mind Jobs gaining stuff for flavor, it's literally what Verraise and Vercure are, but PLD already has a White Magic flavor with Clemency, and it is extremely scarce for Paladin/Knight to ever get raise in any FF, the only instance I can think of is Cecil getting it in the 3D remake of FFIV, he didn't have it in any other version.

I'll agree with Tanks getting a raise, if they lose their ability to heal others and it has the full 8s cast.

Se please never listen to this dude