Occult Crescent: South Horn - Capitalization is incorrect when entering

When talking to the NPC, Jeffroy, to enter the Occult Crescent: South Horn, your option to enter says "Journey to the Occult Crescent: south horn." South Horn is capitalized in all other instances and should be capitalized in this line of text....at the very least for consistency sake. (as a copy editor this extremely annoying to see every time).

Primary Details:
NPC name: Jeffroy <Expedition Coordinator>
Party or solo: Both
Area and coordinates: Phantom Village, (4.6, 6.5)
Steps:
1. Talk to Jeffroy <Expedition Coordinator> to open menu.
2. Menu says: "Journey to the Occult Crescent: south horn"
3. It should say "Journey to the Occult Crescent: South Horn" (with the capitalization)

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Originally Posted by Airickuh

South Horn is capitalized in all other instances

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It's actually not. Review the dialog for Past and Crescent and Mysteries Abide.

"South horn" and "north horn" aren't proper nouns, and menu options use sentence case. So, "working as intended," I guess.

Quoting myself from the other topics on this:

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Originally Posted by Zero-ELEC

That's not a typo or localisation issue; whenever people refer to it in sentence it is always "south horn", all lower case. It's not the name of a place, it's a description. The menu option is simply in sentence case. The localisation is very particular about capitalisation of things that aren't proper names when not in title case, you can also discover this by emoting at any character that has a name that is descriptive, for example.

Words over characters heads (their "nameplate"), duty titles in duty menus, field and location names in teleport menus and notices, minion and mount names, and things of similar nature, are all depicted in title case. These can have different capitalisation in sentence case. See the outskirts being rendered "The Outskirts" when in the teleport menu, but being rendered "the outskirts" when characters talk about it. Or take a look at the Mogpendium next time there's an objective in places like "western Thanalan", or read a minion or mount description when they don't have proper nouns for names.

For example, observe this: https://i.imgur.com/Rz5Adk2.png https://i.imgur.com/KM81pWw.png The key item is an "elite Veteran Clan mark bill" as depicted in sentence case, but when hovered over it's an "Elite Veteran Clan Mark Bill" as depicted in title case.

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Originally Posted by Zero-ELEC

The thing is when there's multiple options in a menu when speaking to an NPC (in "what would you like to say?"/"what would you like to do?" type things) the options tend to be sentences, which is the case here; your character is either journeying to the south horn, asking for more information, reviewing their own knowledge (opening the help menu), or reviewing their phantom jobs (opening the phantom job menu).

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Regardless, I guess depending on which current of English language rules you follow, you might capitalise the first word after a colon, but I don't think that's the standard. From what I understand, American English can capitalise after the colon but does not tend to, while British and Commonwealth English does not do that, as a rule, unless it's a proper noun. Would you it look better/more appropriate if it it were written "Journey to the Occult Crescent's south horn." or "Journey to the Occult Crescent: South horn."?

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Originally Posted by Zero-ELEC

In short, the place name is descriptive and not a proper noun, written English does not as a rule capitalise words after colons, and those menu options are in sentence case. All locations, instances, items, and NPCs have internal names that are in sentence case. In the case (ha) of this instance, it's sentence case rendition is "the Occult Crescent: south horn". As such it would be incorrect to capitalize south horn.

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I'm genuinely curious then why it is referred to as Occult Crescent: South Horn in every other possible place where Square Enix talks about it? The duty name, patch notes, etc. This is the ONLY place where they use Occult Crescent: south horn; every other place is. I UNDERSTAND that in context of a normal sentence saying "I'm going to visit the south horn" it should be lower case there and I agree with that (and is correct in normal written things here). It was never Forbidden Lands, anemos; for example.

It's a silly thing to be bothered by, but I do hate the consistency issue here.

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Originally Posted by Airickuh

I'm genuinely curious then why it is referred to as Occult Crescent: South Horn in every other possible place where Square Enix talks about it? The duty name, patch notes, etc.

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Because in most contexts, Title Case is appropriate and being used, not sentence case.

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This is the ONLY place where they use Occult Crescent: south horn; every other place is. I UNDERSTAND that in context of a normal sentence saying "I'm going to visit the south horn" it should be lower case there and I agree with that (and is correct in normal written things here). It was never Forbidden Lands, anemos; for example.

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Anemos is a proper noun, an actual name. "South horn" is neither. "Horn" is just what we call the tip of a crescent.

In a menu that's entirely sentence case, you're basically wondering why it doesn't say, "Journey to United States of America: Southern States."

It might be better to wonder why the menu uses sentence case instead of Title Case like most every other menu in the game.

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Originally Posted by Kharn

I probably should've been clearer on what I'm exactly referring to, but it's not the use of it in the actual character dialogue. I've no umbrage with "south horn" being lowercase in actual character spoken dialogue due to its descriptor of the crescent locale. I was probably too hyperbolic by saying "the entire instance" when I meant in the out-of-story UI experience specifically. Apologies!

Instead, I am referring to the UI dialogue/teleport menu that Jeffroy in the Phantom Village has when trying to access the actual zone instance—which you are referring to as being "title case" mechanically speaking in reference to duty menus. It is not title case in this instance. I'm aware you also mentioned that the menu option is in sentence case, but does this menu not also count as a field/location name in a teleport menu? That's what feels odd to me visually. Instance characters for Field Operations in previous expansions that utilize the same type of menu, like Rodney (Eureka Anemos) have the text in title case. I recognize Bozja doesn't have this due to a different format in phrasing, but "Occult Crescent: south horn" also doesn't feel like the same type of descriptive title as "The Bozja southern front" for Bozja, but rather a subtitle (which is typical grammatically to be capitalized for title names that come after a colon or dash in a name) due to its formatting.

Therefore, it'd visually look better to be "Occult Crescent: South Horn" for the menu in my opinion. Similar to how south horn is capitalized in the other menus, like the map.

Edit: It is also capitalized when leaving the duty instance, which further makes me believe it should be while entering it.

https://i.imgur.com/BlRVrj8.png

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Here's my own reply in support of this thread from another one. I understand the sentence case arguments but they are pedantic when the visual being complained about is a title case issue. South Horn should be capitalized in the subtitle for aesthetic consistency like the other uses of it in this menu, in title case.