I feel like Plenary Indulgence should be a trait

Like, what's the point of activating a passive buff? if it did what it did and then granted a temporary shield, I could understand it then being an active skill, but it's 9/10 only coming into play after you or another white mage activates it, and then uses one of the select skills it applies to to have any effect. It seems like a waste of a skill lot/Hotbar that could be used for a trait for the same effects.

This\ is in contrast to say AST Divination or Horoscope,

What say you fellow healers?

Well unlike an actual fully passive Trait which works at all time, the so said "passive buffs" have cooldowns where you can only receive the benefits in a set amount of time, and they would be too powerful if they were to not have durations, hence you would want to activate them; it wouldn't be too useful if Plenary Indulgence actives on its own automatically regardless if you are using GCD heals would it?

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As a SCH main which half of my toolkit is basically actions that have to work with other actions, unfortunately I don't really get the feeling of "what's the point of activating a passive buff", it is genuinely satisfying to me that I can combine certain actions in ways to get the outcome that best suited for different situations. For example in the case of WHM when you don't have enough weaving slots, choosing between Thin Air or Plenary Indulgence into Medica II is already an active decision, which at least personally I enjoy it.

I like how it feels to use personally. It's one of the few skills in WHM's kit that requires using another skill to be useful and can't be used as a free healing button on its own.

It's pretty satisfying to see hp bar go up a lot more in a single GCD heal, which I find fitting for the burst heal design WHM goes by.

To me it’s an ability that can be used to make Afflatus Rapture stronger when doing Savage raids and needing a stronger heal. I’m not amazing at playing healer in raids so I’m not sure the best way to do it, but as White Mage my answer to a stronger raidwide damage is sometimes to press Afflatus Rapture right after some other thing (Plenary Indulgence, Asylum, or Temperance) to deal with it so I can maybe avoid needing to use Cure 3 or Medica. When I play White Mage I think of Rapture, Plenary, Asylum, and Temperance as my abilities I want to juggle to get as much use out of them as possible, so I enjoy that Plenary exists as a cooldown.

Although I haven’t played healer in Extreme or Ultimate, and I don’t think I’ve ever used Plenary Indulgence in normal difficulty content as there’s so much less healing required there.

It feels like you're underestimating an additional 200 cure potency gained when you use AoE GCD heals. That's literally an additional 50% of Medica and Afflatus Rapture so it makes sense that it's on a cooldown. AST's Divination shouldn't be in the comparison cause that's comparing a damage raid buff contribution to a heal. And Horoscope is 200 or 400(if Helios was used) cure potency.

An extra 200 Potency heal is rarely all that useful really... I think to make it actually good, it should be changed into a 200 potency shield that goes up from the next Medica/Rapture.

And if a 200 Potency shield every 60 sec sounds too strong, Succor from SCH is a GCD of a 320 Potency aoe shield.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

An extra 200 Potency heal is rarely all that useful really... I think to make it actually good, it should be changed into a 200 potency shield that goes up from the next Medica/Rapture.

And if a 200 Potency shield every 60 sec sounds too strong, Succor from SCH is a GCD of a 320 Potency aoe shield.

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Comparing rapture to succor is pointless because succor you actively don’t want to press, especially since if you are willing to GCD heal then you want spreadlo anyway

WHM needs more mitigation but it should be integrated into the lily system, not have indulgence become a wonky CU

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Comparing rapture to succor is pointless because succor you actively don’t want to press, especially since if you are willing to GCD heal then you want spreadlo anyway

WHM needs more mitigation but it should be integrated into the lily system, not have indulgence become a wonky CU

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They don't really need much more mitigation, that's what SCH and SGE are supposed to be for... And I think getting a CD access to a weaker Succor shield would probably be enough and be significantly better than a 200 Potency heal.

I mean it's not like it couldn't be done in an interesting way, but I also feel it's genuinely one of the most interesting abilities in the WHM kit, given its short duration, very strong effect and limited applicability. It's the equivalent to using your +20% buff, just in even more extreme.

The problem is of course, there's rarely~never a time you need more healing output for more than 1-2 casts. Making the vast majority of this go to waste, and hence why Horoscope etc feel much more useful in practice. They should not, if healers actually had a lot of healing to do.

As a passive trait, I'd envision it something like this, akin to the smart heals DAoC had:

"Any time you cast an group or multi-target heal an extra 800 potency heal is intelligently split between characters healed, prioritizing characters with lower health. This effect can happen no more than once every 20 seconds, and will not trigger if no one healed was below 50% health."

(also what's with the weird name for it?!)

Supposed we actually turned PI into a passive trait. What would we get in return?