Maybe it's time for a casual "strike" if not complete departure.

Disregard this, I'm not playing the game anymore.

This is where their attempts at making the last expansion relic too easy is turning around to bite them. At the very least past relics would keep you busy, now they have been so miserable and easy that I actually have 9 of them on near the final stage on an alt character because they are just comedically accessible that you have enough Tomestones before even doing 80-90 or 90-100.

I am not too concerned in the grand scheme, because they follow this same downtrodden formula. It will be 'raid content enjoyers' that are asking where all their content is after they've done the final savage tier in 7.4 and have to wait 13 months for the next raid. Ultimately over the course of an expansion they have just as bad treatment as casuals, with the exception of all their content being frontloaded.

They need to see that their expansion lifecycle benefits nearly nobody, and that in the grand scheme of things, it's a miserable experience for everyone.

TL;DR a lot of this is an issue exacerbated by how accessible Manderville relics were, and the absence of a repeatable content in Endwalker.

This is already happening, but it's not so much a strike as a company locking the factory doors on the workers.

But yeah it burns to be subsidizing a sub-community that exhibits such contempt for our presence.

As a "hardcore" player (I guess? I enjoy and clear the harder stuff and I raid in a static at any rate), I really want some FUN casual and midcore content too. I have other friends who don't like the harder level stuff, whether because the don't have the time to dedicate to it or just find it too stressful, who I still want to play the game with. I want something more chill to play to unwind after raid where I still feel like I'm engaged and having fun but don't have to completely "lock in" to clear either. I want content I can bring an alt job into where it's no big deal if I mess up a few times, things like that. Variety is good for everyone. I don't feel like I'm eating all that well either.

God yes, the quality of Duty Finder would increase significantly if you guys did this.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Let's be real, unless you're a hardcore player, buying Dawntrail and being subbed this last half a year probably feels like a waste of money, and there's no guarantee that anything coming in 7.2 or beyond is even meant for casual players either and they won't pull another "whoops, we made it Savage difficulty instead, teehee!"

Besides, the hardcore playerbase has it made it abundantly clear, especially with Chaotic, that they hold such casuals in complete and utter disgust and don't want such players in "their" game anyway, so might as well just let them have it then, let them hold the game up on their own instead of expecting others to keep it running for them while being spat on by community and developer alike.

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I don't understand why hardcore raiders feel this way other than the hobby attracting the kind of person that's constantly looking for someone to turn their nose up to. You'd think after getting everything they wanted with Wildstar and how horribly that worked out for everyone involved, they'd appreciate having a vibrant player base that helps cover development costs a little more.

Given the numbers from Lucky Bancho, this is already happening without need for any additional input

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God yes, the quality of Duty Finder would increase significantly if you guys did this.

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True, and the forums would be spared from the experience of you needing to write a thread being upset that you couldn't clear content as fast as you wanted to :)

Casuals departing from this game would unironically be a miserable experience for everyone seeing as you would likely eventually be put into a situation where a patch cycle turns from every 4.5 months, to every 5 months, and then every 8 months, and potentially longer.

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As a "hardcore" player (I guess? I enjoy and clear the harder stuff and I raid in a static at any rate), I really want some FUN casual and midcore content too. I have other friends who don't like the harder level stuff, whether because the don't have the time to dedicate to it or just find it too stressful, who I still want to play the game with. I want something more chill to play to unwind after raid where I still feel like I'm engaged and having fun but don't have to completely "lock in" to clear either. I want content I can bring an alt job into where it's no big deal if I mess up a few times, things like that. Variety is good for everyone. I don't feel like I'm eating all that well either.

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Im in the same boat as you for the most part. I enjoy raiding and doing savage and ultimate but I don't want it all the time. I want more chill content to play and have fun with. That why SB and ShB was my favorite expacs bc they had a decent mix of hard content with relaxing content. On off days I would be in Bozja and Eurakeing farming for my relics. Doing EW and now DT, I all do when I log in is raid and I have no real reason to long in other than raid. It has made the game dull and boring. Sucks honestly....

The "filthy casual" mindset is a bleed over of toxicity from WoW refugees. Just blacklist them and move on.