Don't let dumb job changes ruin the game for you.

I'd like to preface by saying I've been playing since 4.0 and have had plenty of conversation with friends of both casual and super hardcore skill levels. I agree that a lot of jobs have had their identity removed or in machinist case get key functionalities denied from them. However I have also noticed that despite the discourse I see plenty of people still enjoying these jobs to the fullest. The forums tends to create an echo chamber of disgruntledness that inaccurately represents just how bad certain aspects of the game feels. Yeah it sucks i can't auto crossbow to reset double check and i can't use flamethrower with feeling like im knee capping my damage but i still love machinist. On top of that I love that one of my favorite jobs gives me something to complain about and get passionate conversations in with other players and friends. A job shouldn't be kept bad to create conversation around it but be appreciative of how these things have created something for you to feel passionate about and discuss with your community about visions for your dream designs! I miss dragoon having things to manage like heavy thrust and blood gauge but I have so much fun whining back and forward with friends and then we spiral into a nostalgic talk about things they miss in old jobs and like in new jobs. This post isn't to excuse Square Enix's neglect but to help people find a silver lining in things outside our immediate control. Don't let the forums make you sad but instead have a good laugh at the devs with your fellow adventurers!

I've never been a fan of the term "coping", but when you're trying to encourage players to look on the bright side of the game's myriad changes for the worse by saying you can have fun complaining about how much better things used to be with your friends, I think you're pretty much past the point of no return. There's optimism and then there's edging into a form of denial. Things suck, that's okay.

Also, no one is coming here happy and then "allowing" the forum to impress something negative on them that wasn't there previously. What is it with people lately and this absolute terror of expressing or reading about discontent or criticism?

Yeah it's also... I would simply not be playing if I didn't enjoy it. I don't need to #dramafaint on the forum about it.

Negative feedback is automatically because I am - overall - happily playing but things could still be improved.

Also, don't let negative people on the forums influence you if you're already enjoying the game. There are a lot of people with unrealistic expectations of how the game should be now that we've reached what is likely the peak of job complexity. People will continue to expect jobs to become more and more complex every expansion, and that is just not likely to happen from now on. It's a business after all, and making jobs too complex pushes away a huge amount of people.

Expect to see a lot of pruning and a lot of button overlap with the new action change feature.

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Originally Posted by Reginald_Cain

This post isn't to excuse Square Enix's neglect but to help people find a silver lining in things outside our immediate control. Don't let the forums make you sad but instead have a good laugh at the devs with your fellow adventurers!

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Not sure about you, but schadenfreude is not exactly a good reason for many to pay a subscription service and be happy. We used to have much more interesting job classes, all of that gameplay has been eroded away. This is nothing to smile about. If you can sure, but for others who liked pushing buttons, the situation is just sad to the point of constant head-shaking.

You’re about 7 years too late with this lol.

They nuked any chance of good will from me when it became apparent what direction they were going in Stormblood. Shadowbringers job changes was just them kicking the community in their collective balls.

Now? The devs are kicking our cold, dead corpses gleefully with the job changes they’ve been making this expansion. You’re right though, there is no point in complaining…because it’s already far, far, far too late for that lol

I've accepted since long that what got me into the game back in HW has been lost past SB and onward, because they changed the game into something else entirely. As such it's not dumb job changes for me. It goes way beyond that. It's how they give the middle finger to all the players that made this game what it is in the past by deciding at some point that they don't want us anymore if we can't be able to adapt and like their new macdonaldized version of an MMO.

For those of you that enjoy what you're being served overall, all I can say, treasure it.

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Originally Posted by Connor

You’re about 7 years too late with this lol.

They nuked any chance of good will from me when it became apparent what direction they were going in Stormblood. Shadowbringers job changes was just them kicking the community in their collective balls.

Now? The devs are kicking our cold, dead corpses gleefully with the job changes they’ve been making this expansion. You’re right though, there is no point in complaining…because it’s already far, far, far too late for that lol

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Yet, I can see from your profile you are level 100. So, you (like many!) are ok with being "kicked in the balls." You are just resigned to the state the game is. Maybe I am too. And maybe subconsciously, I like the game anyway, even with all of its faults and it being overly simplified, etc etc.

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Originally Posted by dspguy

Yet, I can see from your profile you are level 100. So, you (like many!) are ok with being "kicked in the balls." You are just resigned to the state the game is. Maybe I am too. And maybe subconsciously, I like the game anyway, even with all of its faults and it being overly simplified, etc etc.

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This forum smh.
Haven't played something until the end? "you can't criticize it cause you haven't actually played it."
Have played something until the end? "you are okay with the way things are because you actually played it."

In order to criticize something, it helps having experienced it. Also, enjoyment is not binary. Doing something and realizing that thing is not as fun as it used to be is something that everyone experiences, one way or the other.
Most people posting on the forums do like the game - if they did not, they would not care enough to put their opinions out. Liking the game and still criticizing it is entirely normal.

Tbh i really dont care much about Job Changes even if everything would be a 1 button job, if the fights are good and difficulity idc about the class, i prefer harder fights then harder classes