Excessive Eyebrow Twitching on specific facial expressions

Date of issue: 22/07/2024
Time of issue: 3:17PM GMT+2
Frequency: Always
World name: Spriggan
Character name@Home World name: Vera Nova @ Spriggan
Retainer name: None
NPC name: None
Monster name: None
Class/Level: All Jobs/90
Party or solo: Solo
In-game time: 18:24 (6:24PM)
Area and coordinates: All areas
Housing: None

The issue:
Eyebrows twitch excessively with varying degrees of severity during certain emotes, additionally the corners of the mouth twitch mildly on certain emotes (tested in GPOSE). This twitching wasn't there pre-dawntrail and was introduced with the graphical update.
The emotes affected fall under Expressions.

This issue affects multiple races and different faces as reported in the thread's replies so please kindly take a look at them as well. Thank you.

Additional Details:
These Faces have been reported to be affected by this, however I do suggest checking all playable character facial expressions in G-POSE since it seems the issue is widespread/general. Please kindly check other faces not mentioned below.

FEMALE FACES
Female Miqo'te Face 4 (Mine) and Face 2
Female AuRa Face 2 and Face 3
Female Roegadyn Face 1 and Face 4
Female Elezen Face 4
Female Highlander Face 1
Female Midlander Face 2
Female Viera Face 2

MALE FACES
Male Miqo'te Face 1 and Face 4
Male AuRa Face 3
Male Roegadyn Face 2
Male Midlander Face 4
Male Viera Face 1 and Face 2
Male Lalafell Face 2

Steps to Replicate:
Step 1 : Create a character with the features below:

Features for Female Miqo'te Keeper Face 4
Race : Miqo'te - Keeper of the Moon
Facial Features/Details
Face No. 4
Eye Shape No. 2
Large Iris
Facial Feature toggled : Left/Right Earcuffs + Face Bandaid
Face Paint : Freckles
Mouth Type No. 1
Lipstick : None

Step 2 : Enter G-Pose
Step 3 : Test the following affected emotes under Expressions - Taunt, Sad, Scared, Ouch, Annoyed, Worried, Sneer, Pucker Up, Confused, Concentrate, Big Grin, Scoff, Ponder
Step 4 [Optional] : Check the youtube video for visuals
Step 5 : Compare current emotes with Pre-Dawntrail Emotes
Step 6 : Observe how the eyebrows twitch unnaturally and there is mild corner of the mouth twitching. More details down below..

I compiled a youtube video with all the facial expressions to demonstate the issue and compare it with other expressions.

Video Demonstration on youtube showing the Post-DT/Graphical Update: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjM7_16ifaA
Video Demonstation on youtube showing the Pre-DT/Graphical Update [Korean Server] Thanks Shinjyu:

Quote:

Originally Posted by shinjyu

https://youtu.be/I8VrTxEoXhE?si=ImZX8iCKvQfY0LsE

as your request~ :) sorry i can give you only basic emot :(

Affected Expressions and their timestamp (I provided timestamps in the video's description as well for ease of access)

Taunt (Twitching on Left Brow) - 00:20 - 00:31
Sad (Intense twitching on both brows) - 00:33 - 00:40
Scared (Intense twitching on both brows) - 00:40 - 00:44
Ouch (Intense twitching on both brows) - 00:47 - 00:51
Annoyed (mild twitching on both brows) - 00:51 - 00:59
Worried (Intense twitching on both brows) - 01:04 - 01:08
Sneer (Corner of lips twitching) - 01:08 - 01:12
Pucker Up (mild twitching on both brows + mouth twitching) - 01:12 - 01:16
Confused (intense twitching on both brows) - 01:16 - 01:22
Concentrate (mild twitching) - 01:22 - 01:26
Big Grin (Corner of lips twitching) - 01:43 - 01:46
Furrow (intense twitching on both brows) - 01:46 - 01:49
Scoff (intense twitching on both brows)- 01:49 - 01:52
Ponder (mild twitching on the right brow) - Not included in video but is affected

Expected Behavior:
No twitching on the brow area akin to muscle spasms & no corner of mouth twitching. These are unnatural movements and compared to the original expressions look jarring.

Platform:
Windows/Steam

Connection Specs
ISP: Orange/VDSL
Router: Provided by ISP ZXHN H168N V3.5

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Can confirm, I noticed this issue on my Female Au Ra character using the Scoff emote. It's easily visible in gpose, as if the loop for the eyebrows stops for half a second too early before resuming.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asteri

Can confirm, I noticed this issue on my Female Au Ra character using the Scoff emote. It's easily visible in gpose, as if the loop for the eyebrows stops for half a second too early before resuming.

Could you possibly record it as well? Maybe if we put our efforts together perhaps this might be fixed. It's such a jarring issue.

It has been brought to my attention that the corner of the lips are also twitching albeit mildly on the following emotes, sneer, pucker up and big grin. I can't edit this threads title, a more appropriate title would be lip and eyebrow twitching.

The issue seems to be related to rigging and seems to be more widespread than just Miqo'te Face 4. I encourage everyone to include their face details with video, perhaps we can collect more useful information for this to be fixed.

it's happening in Roegadyn race too

actually, this happening in male and female Roegadyn face emote too. I already report as bug

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ebrow-emot-bug

male roe face 2

https://youtu.be/mmMCY3SYpxc

female roe face 1

https://youtu.be/tFpJNVCN17c

This is also happening on male miqo'te face 1 and male miqo'te face 4.

It's also happening on female highlander face #1.

Also happens on Male viera face 1.

I've personally noticed brows and/or lips twitching on several faces while using emotes/expressions: ♀ Elezen Face 4; ♀ Highlander Face 1; ♀ Midlander Face 2; ♂ Midlander Face 4; ♀ Au Ra Face 2; ♀ Au Ra Face 3; ♂ Au Ra Face 3; ♀ Roegadyn Face 4; ♂ Lalafell Face 2; ♀ Viera Face 2; ♂ Viera Face 2; ♂ Miqo'te Face 1; ♂ Miqo'te Face 4.

At the very least, on ♀ Elezen Face 4 the issue seems to be exclusively eyebrows for only a couple of emotes, while on faces like ♂ Viera Face 2, nearly every single expression has twitchy lips and eyebrows. Regardless, I think it's safe to assume this is happening to every face option in the game to some extent.

All of those examples also happen to Face 2 female Miqo'te.