Black Mage PSA

Because I still see a whole lot of people talking about it and using it, I wanted to let people know that Transpose out of UI -> F3P is no longer a thing that should be used at all.

Technically speaking you still can do it, however there was a change to the way AF1 works, making transposing out of UI and casting F3P essentially the same damage as just hard casting F3 from Ice. Based on the numbers, you're much better off just using the F3P during the AF section you got it from, than trying to save it.

Edit: For those who are thinking I'm going off the tooltips and not my own testing, I'm not saying it's not a gain to transpose F3P anymore, I'm saying that it's more of a gain to simply use your F3P in your AF3 phase now. Yes you gain some damage doing a transpose F3P line in that moment, but overall you'll lose damage.

If you actually test it, rather than just read tooltips, you'd realize there is a potency increase if you transpose into Fire III. I didn't calculate it, but it's probably x1.4 as it was

I would love it if they removed the wrong-element damage penalty because using F3P in AF3 makes it a lot easier to build up to 6 astral hearts and I hate knowing that I'm technically missing out on a little damage as I do so, but, yes, testing shows that an AF1 F3P does indeed do around double the damage of a UI3 F3P (as you'd expect going from x0.7 to x1.4).

The OP is completely incorrect and is getting baited by incorrect tooltips. Just test the damage yourself on a striking dummy and you will see that F3p in AF1 does double the damage of F3p in UI3.

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Originally Posted by Ferrinus

I would love it if they removed the wrong-element damage penalty because using F3P in AF3 makes it a lot easier to build up to 6 astral hearts and I hate knowing that I'm technically missing out on a little damage as I do so, but, yes, testing shows that an AF1 F3P does indeed do around double the damage of a UI3 F3P (as you'd expect going from x0.7 to x1.4).

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This is the one part of DT BLM I like. If you get all 6 F4s without needing to use F3P, you get to cash it in for some extra damage. It's a little reward for good planning.

Also yeah OP is tripping

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Originally Posted by Print_Screen

This is the one part of DT BLM I like. If you get all 6 F4s without needing to use F3P, you get to cash it in for some extra damage. It's a little reward for good planning.

Also yeah OP is tripping

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This is a fair point, and it speaks to the main point of rotational flexibility and risk/reward skill expression I see in the DT BLM, which is whether you manage to use your oGCDs and instant casts to maximize damage or if you need to burn them for pure self-preservation/uptime.

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Originally Posted by Realfoxy

The OP is completely incorrect and is getting baited by incorrect tooltips. Just test the damage yourself on a striking dummy and you will see that F3p in AF1 does double the damage of F3p in UI3.

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It's actually the opposite of what he's saying, the relative gain of the AF1 Firestarter is greater now.

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Originally Posted by Galvuu

It's actually the opposite of what he's saying, the relative gain of the AF1 Firestarter is greater now.

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What makes it greater? Is it just that fewer total non-F4/Despair/Flare Star GCDs means a higher over-the-fight density of hard-hitting spells?

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Originally Posted by Ferrinus

What makes it greater? Is it just that fewer total non-F4/Despair/Flare Star GCDs means a higher over-the-fight density of hard-hitting spells?

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Basically, yea. Using it in AF also delays your next Despair/Flare Star (the latter is a big deal). Strictly speaking, if it doesn't cost a cast over the encounter, the math gets muddier (though Tpose into AF1 Firestarter still wins).
It's like how using Holy in White in Picto is a damage loss in a dummy because it delays your next subtractive combo (so, your nuke combo).

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Originally Posted by Ferrinus

What makes it greater? Is it just that fewer total non-F4/Despair/Flare Star GCDs means a higher over-the-fight density of hard-hitting spells?

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Originally Posted by Galvuu

Basically, yea. Using it in AF also delays your next Despair/Flare Star (the latter is a big deal). Strictly speaking, if it doesn't cost a cast over the encounter, the math gets muddier (though Tpose into AF1 Firestarter still wins).
It's like how using Holy in White in Picto is a damage loss in a dummy because it delays your next subtractive combo (so, your nuke combo).

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They also just increased the base potency of F3, which simply makes the potency gain of putting it in AF1 over UI3 larger.