Status effects would solve the healer drama

since tanks are able to survive any type of beating and all of the dps are kinda hyper mobile, survivability is pretty high right now which leads to healers feeling bummed out.

alot of players seem to think lowering defense would help healers, imho all that would do is just have them spam more healing magic nonstop, which would still be boring.

a healer at its core is just a combat medic, that should be focused on instead, they have the ability to do what the others cant, not just refill hp because everyone has a second wind of some sort or magic heal, but what dps and tanks cant do is rid themselves of status effects.

status effects would well...affect each role yet not truly hinder them or the overall gameplay if implemented correctly. they may get hobbled a bit but a quickminded healer would have them fixed quickly.

for tanks and our mobile af dps they could be hit with attacks that cause them grief, get slowed down, silenced, cursed, blinded, berserked, disabled, controlled etc etc, ff as a series has massive bag of tricks to toss at players, they could even implement tricks into bosses at all tiers from leveling dungeons to high end trials so they can hit different jobs in different ways, you can hobble a rdm/smn with something differently than lets say a samurai/reaper.

but mostly it brings healers back up without turning them into hp stations, or snatching the defense of other jobs, they would be busy not just healing but more like "taking care of" the party, noticing what affliction has hit who and curing it so they can get back to their normal rotation, plus since YoshiP himself has admitted to the game becoming too easy this would put a bit more of a load on healers difficulty wise.

EH or just make the game so there is a point within the roles even existing a healer should primary healing not dps prime and heal secondary add in buffs for healers that noone else gets access to that they can grant party members we have status effects negative wise in the game just you either cant esuna them off or there is 0 point in doing it since they only last 15 seconds lol


everything being just blue dps or green dps is just horrible to start with lol


Which i just dont like if i want to do alot of dps then id play a dps job not a tank not a healer.. when im on a healer i want to primarly heal nonstop with only split moments that dpsing is possible, when I tank i want to be hurt by enemys nonstop not just be another dps lol

I love the idea of more common and frequently ‘Esuna-ble’ debuffs in content, especially unavoidable.

Unfortunately they won’t ever do it because there’d be too many healers complaining about having cast Esuna too much / ‘we’re just Esuna bots now’, or healers just straight up letting people die because they didn’t want to cast Esuna or whatever (which isn’t exactly common but I’ve sadly seen it happen before lol)

I have always said that I would like to see two things being implemented in FFXIV. More status effects that must be cleansed and spell interrupts. Ones if you do not cleanse or interrupt it can cause high spike damage. I would also like to see an overall increase in consistent incoming damage. If square enix cannot compensate then I do not see a reason for tanks (looking at you warriors..) to have so much self healing. This expansion is going to be rough on finding healers, or this strike is going to go absolutely nowhere and things will remain the same.

I don't think it would fix the main complaint about lack of damaging options, but I do like to see esuna get more use.
Not so fun when you get the dead ends and the healer doesn't have esuna on their bar though haha

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Originally Posted by Acelyn

Status effects would solve the healer drama

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They would not.

The thing about internet drama is that it's about drama - there's no way to "solve" it per se.

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Originally Posted by Connor

I love the idea of more common and frequently ‘Esuna-ble’ debuffs in content, especially unavoidable.

Unfortunately they won’t ever do it because there’d be too many healers complaining about having cast Esuna too much / ‘we’re just Esuna bots now’, or healers just straight up letting people die because they didn’t want to cast Esuna or whatever (which isn’t exactly common but I’ve sadly seen it happen before lol)

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https://i.ibb.co/Zdcg1D2/ff1magic.png
Above is the magic page from the FF1 manual.

Take note of what is white magic:
Level 1
CURE - obvious, 16-32 HP to one ally.
HARM (Dia) - Inflicts damage to 20-80 damage ALL Undead, anything else, no damage.
FOG (Protect) - Defense +8 to one ally
RUSE (Blink) - Evade +80 to Caster

Level 2
LAMP (Blinda) - Cures blind
MUTE (Silence) - Prevents target from casting magic
ALIT (NulShock) - Half Damage from Lightning/Thunder
INVS (Invisible) - Evade +40 to single Ally

Level 3
CUR2 (Cure 2/Cura) - 33-66 to one ally.
HRM2 (Diara) - 40-160dmg to ALL undead
AFIR (NulBlaze) - Half damage from fire attacks
HEAL (Medica) - Heal 12-24 HP to party

Level 4
PURE (Esuna/Poisona) - Cures Poison
FEAR (Fear/Panic/Terror) - Makes enemies flee battle
AICE (NulFrost) - Half damage from Ice/Blizzard
AMUT (Vox) - Cures Mute

Level 5
CUR3 (Cure 3/Curaga) - 66-132 HP to ally
LIFE (Revive/Resurrect/Raise) - Brings KO'd character back with 1 HP
HRM3 (Diaga)- 60-240 damage to ALL Undead
HEL2 (Heal 2/Healara/Medica 2) - Heals 24-48 HP to all allies

Level 6
SOFT (Stona) - Cures Petrification
EXIT - Immediately exits dungeon
FOG2 (Protera) - Defense +12 to ALL allies
INV2 (Invisira) - Evade +40 to ALL allies

Level 7
CUR4 (Cure4/Curaja/"Benediction") - Cures ALL HP of one ally
HRM4 (Diaja) - 80-320 damage to ALL undead
ARUB (NulDeath) - Protects from instant-kill (eg Doom)
HEL3 (Heal 3/Healaga/Medica 3) - Restores 48-96 HP of all allies

Level 8
LIF2 (Full Life) - Revives one Ally from KO to full HP
FADE (Holy) - High damage to ALL enemies
WALL (NulAll) - Reduces incoming damage by half
XFER (Dispel) - Removes all enemy buffs

Bolded - "DPS", note that only the 8th level spell actually does damage to enemies other than just undead. All are "AOE"
Italics - Debuffs "DoT"'s
Underline - Buffs

FF1 sets the stage, but all subsequent games to 6 remove Dia in favor of just casting "Cure" on the undead to do the same thing. Likewise "Heal" or "Medica" could be triggered on the own party or the enemy party with the shoulder buttons, which is why they are also missing from FF4/5/6. Damage is however split when cast to the party.


FF6, PoisonA only removes Poison and Sap. Esuna removes Darkness, Poison, Petrify, Silence, Confuse, Sap, Sleep, Slow and stop
FF6 has Regen. Otherwise White magic is only Cure 1/2/3 and Life 1/2/3, Shell, Protect, Reflect
FF6 has Holy as the only White Magic DPS which is an AOE

FF5, PoisonA only removes Poison; Esuna everything but Doom/KO
FF5 has Mini, Confuse and Berserk as a castable debuff, and Dispel to remove all buffs from target
FF5 has Shell, Protect, Reflect and Blink as castable buffs
FF5 has Holy as the only White Magic DPS which is an AOE

FF5 has Regen under Time magic. The "Time" mage is the closest thing to Astrologian (Comet, Gravity, Meteor as available DPS, and Banish as an instant-kill), also has Haste, Quick, Float as buffs; Stop, Slow and Mute as debuffs.

FF4 has Cure/Cura/Curaga/Curaja, Life/Full-Life,
FF4 has Protect, Reflect, Shell, Blink, Haste, Float as buffs
FF4 has Confuse, Silence, Dispel as debuffs
FF4 has Holy as the only DPS and is an AOE.

Putting all those together we see that what is missing from the "White Mage" are the Protect/Shell shields and Blink as an evasion buff. But also missing Haste as a functional party buff (Lightspeed (reduces by 2.5s, but all casts are already 1.5) and Presence of Mind (reduce cast time by 20%) are barely useful except to cast consecutive AOE's) and Float (to protect against quake type attacks)

I think since 14 has so many "debuffs" that monsters can cast, it's worth considering adding more, or affixing the debuff to the GCD attack so that it's "constantly" being cast and the target can't cleanse or become immune to.

It should be pointed out that Holy and Gravity in 14 has been nerfed multiple times, with Gravity should have having status debuff like slow or heavy. Unfortunately the way "Gravity" works in 14 and the way it works in 5 and 6 is pretty far removed since knocking 75% of the HP off trash mobs would be immensely game breaking.

Like Holy/Dia should always cast "DPS" levels of damage to Undead, and it's normal damage to everything else only if stunned. The stun should just bounce on the first hit though. So if you DPS with Dia, the first hit is 0 damage but a stun, then the next two hits do damage, and then a third hit does a stun again with no damage, next two hits do damage. I'm sure a stun-lock is also game breaking, which is why the first hit should do no damage, only the hits while stunned do full damage. That would allow Holy to be "more powerful" and two white mages don't blow their stun on the target immediately. If other DPS attack the stunned monster, it reduces the stun time.

Anyway THAT is just figuring out ways to keep debuffs as a thing without them just immediately being wasted by two people trying to stun or hit the same debuff at the monster at the same time. In boss fights, it's usually pointless to use the AOE except during adds anyway.

Let us be honest. A lot of the nonsense we have now is because of feedback from people years ago.
I remember threads where people complained about having to heal to much and barely be able to to damage. Others complained about to many dispellables.

There you go. Now we have 2,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,3. as a healer rotation (3 being the ogcd aoe heal.)

Same with pvp. People complained pvp was to hard with all those pve and additional pvp skills, the crits, the gear requirement.
Now we have a arcade MOBA mode for pvp.

Blame the folks who cried for the changes. I can't blame Squeenix for having enough. I guess the only thing they could consider would be finding a middle ground between all the options.

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Originally Posted by Acelyn

status effects would well...affect each role yet not truly hinder them or the overall gameplay if implemented correctly. they may get hobbled a bit but a quickminded healer would have them fixed quickly.

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Ever done Unreal when someone misses a tower? Seen more than one wipe at that point.

I'll say the same thing I said in the other thread. If SE wants to utilize status effects more (and that's not a bad idea), then healers need AoE Esuna capabilities. They would also need to change some effects to be more debilitiating either in effect or time because there are some that we just ignore and heal through now.