Please focus on giving console players more hotbar space, instead of removing actions

Every expansion we lose buttons or buttons are consolidated in the name of not having too many buttons. I don't think this is sustainable if FFXIV is to continue for years to come. Kaiten on Samurai is one example.

I think it would suck if every expansion for the next 10 years just added more follow-up attacks to already existing buttons, or removed old buttons to make space for the new. That isn't near as interesting as adding totally new, separate buttons.

Keyboard players have plenty of space for new buttons thanks to the ability to swap hotbars with any number of different button combinations or add "shift + button" or "ctrl + button," utilizing the numpad, etc. Even for people with small hands, it should be very easy to hit the first 4~5 numbers and many of the letters around WASD.

But I recognize it is different for controller players.

Rather than continue removing or replacing skills, could we please see more actual unique actions in the future, alongside work being done to give console players a better experience on classes with a many actions?

I don't know what this would look like, but as I said, the current strategy isn't sustainable. I've found myself dreading each new expansion's job changes more than being excited for them because I'm afraid of my favorite classes losing actions or systems that I love because of hotbar space.

Agreed, it would be extremely easy to just drop in another WXHB hotbar set on top of the current ones by using a combination such as hold R1+R2 or L1+L2 or perhaps a double click of one of those although the double clikc is already used they could make it an option to change it to a 3rd set.

I feel like we need to have a discussion about why people think more skills equals more better.


We don't need 36+ skills that are used.


That's too much. Make it 20 and make them actually matter.

all I use is controller, a bunch of crossbars that i need to tap in special ways to access is dumb, mainly because they would just be wasted space, most of the games content is in older expacs anyway, when they fix those garbage rotations then we can think about extra crossbars.

also having a bunch of extra skills would just be tedious, the majority of players in this game arent in forums and play their jobs barely good enough to escape most dungeons, more skills would send them into mental shock probably.

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Originally Posted by velswen

Every expansion we lose buttons or buttons are consolidated in the name of not having too many buttons. I don't think this is sustainable if FFXIV is to continue for years to come. Kaiten on Samurai is one example.

I think it would suck if every expansion for the next 10 years just added more follow-up attacks to already existing buttons, or removed old buttons to make space for the new. That isn't near as interesting as adding totally new, separate buttons.

Keyboard players have plenty of space for new buttons thanks to the ability to swap hotbars with any number of different button combinations or add "shift + button" or "ctrl + button," utilizing the numpad, etc. Even for people with small hands, it should be very easy to hit the first 4~5 numbers and many of the letters around WASD.

But I recognize it is different for controller players.

Rather than continue removing or replacing skills, could we please see more actual unique actions in the future, alongside work being done to give console players a better experience on classes with a many actions?

I don't know what this would look like, but as I said, the current strategy isn't sustainable. I've found myself dreading each new expansion's job changes more than being excited for them because I'm afraid of my favorite classes losing actions or systems that I love because of hotbar space.

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if anything pc is one limiting job abilitys, I play on controller and heres a fact for you, and a little bit of math



there are 7 bars we have access to 7x 16 (16 for each one) each action bar we have can hold we have plenty of space for bars and we can quick change it, if we ever need more they can add from 7 so honestly i fail to see "how we dont have enough bars"

16 x 7 = 112 slots for abilitys we have on ps5 that is more than enough space lol


if anything its much easier to use massive amounts of abilitys on ps5 controller lol I could easily use a 112 abilitys on a job with a ps5 controller just fine with how it is

all it takes is a little bit of thinking and organization skills and u can use everything faster than a keyboard user could

and if they added another 7 that can come up by l1 instend of r1 could use double the amount to have 224 abilitys just fine I mean really the only bars i even use on ps5 are 1 and 2 and 4 i can easily go to with the switching option to buff/lb sprint etc

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I feel like we need to have a discussion about why people think more skills equals more better.


We don't need 36+ skills that are used.


That's too much. Make it 20 and make them actually matter.

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Yeah, got to love the button fetishists.

What actually matters for good combat is flow and sound design. Not the amount of button one has.

I agree in principle, but I don't really think controller players have much of an issue with hotbar space if I am honest.

If you use WXHB, then you have 32 easily accessible buttons, and then a further easy 16 actions accessible via Expanded Hold Controls.

Just to reiterate, I am by no means saying quantity over quality, but I just don't think controller players are really as limited on hotbar space as people like to believe.

We have enough space for skills, I just want more accessible hotbars from button combos for things like emotes, more custom layouts for classes, etc. Because 8 hotbars just isnt enough for me :D

16 buttons per hotbar
3 easily accessed hotbars
that's 48 skill you can use easily
You don't need more than 48 skills

Rather we have less buttons for damage and more utility stuff + reasons to use them in fights personally