Let us use gil to higher more retainers.

Lets be real, using real money to buy more retainers is indirect pay to win. Having a base 2 of retainers is soooo small. Allow us to purchase more retainers with Gil in the game and make it so we have a 5 retainer limit. Adding a monthly fee isn't really fair to those who are on fixed income or part of low income homes. At least making the retainers a 1 time payment would be a step in the right direction. It would be even better if you could spend GIL for extra retainers.

So, I have excess gil enough to hire more retainers to earn more excess gil with?
Still, I might help me make gear for my low level alts faster if I can buy a couple more retainers for a month to help collect materials. I don't use them for anything else.

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Originally Posted by SamSmoot

So, I have excess gil enough to hire more retainers to earn more excess gil with?
Still, I might help me make gear for my low level alts faster if I can buy a couple more retainers for a month to help collect materials. I don't use them for anything else.

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You mean a system that has a positive feedback for participating in said system?

Amazing!

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I just create alts and use the FC chest to send stuff to their retainers.

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Originally Posted by AlaineIV

Lets be real, using real money to buy more retainers is indirect pay to win.

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What is "winning" in this game? How do retainers factor into "winning"?

I happen to be one of those low income individuals you're referring to. I can afford to buy the extra retainers (3 in my case) because it's part of the small amount of money I budget for entertainment each month. Moving that $6 a month to a different part of my budget isn't going make an impact when it comes to getting things I need but can't afford considering the rising costs of consumer goods and services. It's trivial compared to what it will cost me to replace my computer at whatever point it's no longer able to run the game.

Such system shouldn't even exist, but unfortunately it does and people are willing to pay for it.
2 retainers is abit restrictive honestly, I can afford to hire two more and that's enough for me, but why do I have to pay a sub over my sub that just feels abit greedy?
Also bad currency conversion exists, not everyone is living in america/europe.

1 retainer lets you list 20 items, you get 2 retainers, that's 40 items
10 retainers at most can be hired that's 200 items

200 vs 40? Small difference, right?

Inb4 'gil is worthless anyway' arguments. I don't think retainers should come with a market listing limit.

I stopped selling competitively back in 4.2. I have enough gil I don't need to work. I have 5 retainers and it's for stuffs I probably could just delete given I never wear any of it.

There is certainly an inventory problem, but I disagree that the solution is "more inventory space". As anyone who has ever gained a fresh new grid of inventory space — whether via the discovery of their Saddlebag, the purchase of a new retainer, etc — can attest, having more inventory slots only temporarily solves the issue. In time, those slots fill up as well.

Thus, a far more effective solution would be to find out why there are so many items players are hesitant to get rid of and (where possible) alter game systems to alleviate these issues.

A few examples that readily jump to mind:

• There are plenty of clothes that are expensive.
• There are plenty of clothes that are time-consuming to get to drop from a dungeon.
• There are dozens of items for relic quest steps that occupy normal (non-quest) inventory slots.
• There are plenty of tokens from raids/Extremes that many players can't easily replace if they don't have friends/FC's/etc to help them quickly farm new ones on-demand.

The commonality between all of the above is that if you don't hold onto it, there will be a cost to replacing it when you want it. So the game incentivizes you to hold onto it.

But there are numerous solutions to all of these issues. Put together a Wardrobe system like WoW (ie - the Armoire for every wearable). Consolidate the number of different types of items needed for relic quests (ie - do we truly need an inventory slot for green memories and blue memories and red memories, etc), or better yet, make them quest items that live in the quest inventory. Have tokens from raids get treated like tokens from Tribes. Or something else; there are plenty of ways to reduce the amount of items that demand your space.

The point is, inventory has the issues it does because there are so many items that players quite reasonably feel pressured to hold onto. If you find out why that is and can alleviate those pressures, that's the most effective and long-term way to mitigate inventory problems.

Just give everyone a free third retainer already please!