Ninja feels weird

Hello guys.

I have been playing ninja since HW and he has constantly improved in term of rotation and even has got easier to play. But what I realized during a alliance raid is that the mudra recognition kinda lacks. Sometimes in fight the game thinks I pressed one button instead of 2. (Talking about that 1.2k potency skill, or even raiton) I have thought about this since a while and have came to the conclusion that the reason for the game doesn't notice the inserted mudra combination has to do something with the latency.

Alas my connection is a bit clunky in the beginning of the eventing and last like that until morning. But the only game I have noticed issues related to that is FF14, specially when I am playing Ninja. Have you guys similar problems while playing ninja?

You are correct that latency causes it to think you only pressed 1 mudra when you pressed 2. Don't worry though; the server is aware that you pressed 2 and should register it as such. It does for me when I play on Materia. Initially it does Fuma Shuriken, then corrects it to Raiton or whatever else I used.

As for latency being an issue just in this game, it is probably a combination of the server's relative distance from you in this game and the fact that Abilities have an animation delay where it waits for the animation to happen first before applying the effect and this is an issue many players don't like but the developers don't see as an issue.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

You are correct that latency causes it to think you only pressed 1 mudra when you pressed 2. Don't worry though; the server is aware that you pressed 2 and should register it as such. It does for me when I play on Materia. Initially it does Fuma Shuriken, then corrects it to Raiton or whatever else I used.

As for latency being an issue just in this game, it is probably a combination of the server's relative distance from you in this game and the fact that Abilities have an animation delay where it waits for the animation to happen first before applying the effect and this is an issue many players don't like but the developers don't see as an issue.

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Thank you for your quick answer. So I was right about the latency. Do you suggest to not play ninja with a middle to high latency? (about 20 - 30) I have checked my latency recently have had no issues while people sometimes have complained about server issues since the start of the preorder for the newest expansion. Thus I think server itself also could have been a part of the problem ever since. I do not hope so, because that would mean more additional hours to fix server issues instead of working on the new addon haha

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Originally Posted by Demyxs

Do you suggest to not play ninja with a middle to high latency?

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I suggest you play what you enjoy. If you enjoy it enough with the high latency, fine. If you don't enjoy it due to that, then another option may be more fun.

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(about 20 - 30)

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That ain't high. I barely have this issue on 150-170 ping, but I almost always have it on a Materia ping of over 200.

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people sometimes have complained about server issues since the start of the preorder for the newest expansion.

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Not heard much about this compared to the complaints months/a year ago when there was a political issue causing various routes to the NA worlds to experience severe packet loss and ping increases. Sometimes that issue has re-occured but I haven't run into it lately, so either it got solved or maybe it happened again for some people.

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that would mean more additional hours to fix server issues instead of working on the new addon haha

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I don't anticipate this will be their focus. They have been making numerous preparations over the last few years to prepare for potential congestion at Dawntrail release so that it's not as problematic as the previous expansion release. But I don't think a little ping issue that only a minority of people are experiencing will be on their radar, especially when it is likely due to an ISP.

If enough people bring it up to them though, they do contact the ISP and try to alert them, help them fix it and setup countermeasures against any DDoS attacks.

True. Ninja has been my favourite class eversince! I tried samurai and had no problems as such as with ninja so there is a plan B if my connection issue turns out to be a funkiller. I think the reason why the resonance regarding this ninja problem was so low is because most people are casual and just switch into a different job or don't think about it further. Same as me I have to admit, because those problem only seems to appear in alliance raids but not in 8 man's. Whether if it's cause of the group size or the big instance I don't know. And you have not experienced such problem?

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Originally Posted by Demyxs

I think the reason why the resonance regarding this ninja problem was so low is because most people are casual and just switch into a different job or don't think about it further.

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Very true. Most people don't play most of the melee DPS. If they do, it's more likely to be SAM or RPR than MNK, NIN or DRG. This is because SAM and RPR were created more recently and don't have mechanics from ARR and HW which were more complicated and less hand-holdish. Not that they are that difficult if you bother to get used to them, but people gravitate toward jobs that don't require as much thought or focus like SMN.

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And you have not experienced such problem?

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I've not. You could try a VPN. For me personally, this can reduce ping significantly. It also can alter the route that you take to the server, possibly avoiding network problems. A number of gaming VPNs have free trials and even the ones not marketed for gaming seem to be really good for it.

While latency can be an issue, I suspect that an underdiscussed aspect of NIN is that people are hitting the mudra buttons too quickly. Because of the shorter GCD on mudras, ability queuing effectively works a little differently and isn't forgiving of pressing two mudra buttons too quickly.

Yeah, I time my mudra presses by the sound of them going off on press (the "don" sound). 99% of the time this allows me to fire off what I want unless the lag is really bad.