The Tragedy about Manderville vs Brilliant Relics

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Preface:
All my Combat Jobs are 90 and I'm an Omnicrafter.

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Manderville:
- Do whatever for tomes
- Trade tomes for whatever and upgr-
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Crystalline/Brilliant
- Bunch of different specific Materials are needed
- Take notes to know how many of each mat I'll need
- Which ones do I wanna buy?
- Which ones do I wanna gather?
- I get to play both my gatherers
- Visit a bunch of places across the game
- Some mats are only available from Bicolor Gemstones
- Gemstones require engagement with FATEs
- I get to play with my Combat Jobs
- Hand craft all mats to HQ manually
- Get max yield from perfect crafts
- Help Grenoldt and Mowen get together while assisting the lovely Chora-Zoi improve her craft!

One of these, is engaging. And the other one is not.

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This is the tragedy of Endwalker's Relics. They know how to make a good and engaging relic grind. They just chose not to do it for our combat relics this time.

Imagine if Crafter Relics were "Oh just get 1500 Purple Crafter Scrips for every step"

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DON'T DO THAT, FOR THE LOVE OF HYDAELYN, I WILL END YOU
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Agree completely. At least the crafting/gathering relics feels like an achievement earned.

My only gripe is that, for the DoH ones, if you can complete one component craft you can complete them all, for any given step.

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Originally Posted by ChrysOCE

My only gripe is that, for the DoH ones, if you can complete one component craft you can complete them all, for any given step.

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Not wrong, but you must always procure different materials. You have to engage with each specific job and gather/craft/buy unique mats for each one, and that alone makes each tool so much more engaging than just 1500 more tomes you happened to have anyway.

Spot on. This game has become a dumpster fire handing everything out for nothing. Crafters were supposed to be the casual content and now its somehow better than actual combat grinds. Sad days.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

This game has become a dumpster fire

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So... I'm trying to make a real post about something that can be improved, but I sometimes get the feeling that some of you have never played an actual terrible game. Maybe you should go play Drake Of The 99 Dragons if you think XIV is a "dumpster fire" for real.

Hard to take you seriously when you phrase and frame your "contribution" like that... but you do you, I guess.

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

They know how to make a good and engaging relic grind.

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This is a contradiction. Relics are made to be boring.

they have never made a good and engaging relic grind ever.

but i say why not give people who want a grind a grind and make a psuedo grind for players who want it but allow other players to just spend some tomestones for it and move on. that way everyone is happy.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

This is a contradiction. Relics are made to be boring.

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Being rewarded for doing nothing is boring.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

This is a contradiction. Relics are made to be boring.

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Well, I mentioned this in another thread, but I thought the very early stages of ARR were interesting. Unique tails, visit different map areas, get a good crafted weapon to be a vessel for the rebuilt Relic...
And yes, a grind by definition is repetitive. I've been crafting a storm up here, but I feel like the activity has meaning.

That said, yeah: Enjoying a grind is an acquired taste, but there's fun to be had in it for some of us.

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

they have never made a good and engaging relic grind ever.

but i say why not give people who want a grind a grind and make a psuedo grind for players who want it but allow other players to just spend some tomestones for it and move on. that way everyone is happy.

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Same answer as above, though I agree with the second line. I think what most of us want is for the grind to feel meaningful and as part of a journey. The tomestone method is still a grind on itself, but it just doesn't feel engaging, thus why I compared it to the DoH Relics.

I actually really hate the crafting relics. I made one and I lost interest in doing anymore. Decided I'd wait for possible cheese opportunities from future expansion changes. If that never happens then so be it, I'm not all that interested in these relics because the grind pushes me away.