Glamouring w/ retainers creates a PROFIT INSENTIVE to have a BAD GLAMOUR SYSTEM +FIX

Problem
I just wanted to talk about the glamouring using retainers bandaid fix for the glamour system. Although I do appreciate being able to use this system it is detached from the main glamour system and as the title suggests fuels bad game design for profit. The effects I have seen with player activity are twofold;

1) Players are pushed to purchasing more retainers and using the subpar retainer glamour system leading to frustration. And

2) People are unsubbing instead of doing content because why chase items when you have to delete the ones you just obtained. (I know I don't want to refarm the nier raids anytime I want to try a new glamour)

The Fix
Now this criticism doesn't come as a surprise to anyone (probably) because there are many problems like the market board economy to take into account when trying to fix this issue. But I what I propose is simple.

**Make a system where Blue rarity items are like tokens where you consume them and can access a menu where you can retrieve them at any time putting a copy of the item in your armoury chest.**

This fixes the following:
1)Different specs for different jobs in same class. Savage raiders wanting to maybe play a 2.3 spellspeed blackmage with materia melds but 2.5 on redmage (this applies to many other jobs that share gear). As when you unlock the raid gear you can do what you wish with melds as you can have multiple copies.

2)By selecting only Blue rarity items this limits the work to devs creating the system. It doesn't need to include the billion items in the game just the ones that take considerable effort to obtain.

3)Assuming the fact that items are stored as a physical item on squenix's side this can save on space going forward. I'm assuming that is the technical limitation causing the glamour dresser to not be infinite.

4)Help with player drought in high end content. Player's can now have fun collecting all of the high end glamour weapons and armour from the savage raid tiers, extreme trials, alliance raids, deep dungeons, and boz/eureka content.

For background, I joined just before Endwalker and completed all 3 savage tiers working on ultimate stuff now.

If anyone has any other suggestions that could fix this issue going forward that I have not considered make sure to let me know! I love the game so far and I want it to get even better going forward, but I've seen lazy mechanisms with profit incentives run games slowly into the ground before, and this game is great, I don't think anyone wants to see that. :):):):):)

Sincerely,
Jahk

not sure about nier things, but the calamity salvagers allow you to get previous gear you have received and tossed for your job.

if they dont have it, I do not see why they could not also add other blue gear you may have received.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

not sure about nier things, but the calamity salvagers allow you to get previous gear you have received and tossed for your job.

if they dont have it, I do not see why they could not also add other blue gear you may have received.

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Because there's no achievement flag to tell the game you've gotten it.
If you wanted a flag for every piece of gear, then you're asking for a glamour catalogue of some sort which they said they were like 90% done at one point but couldn't put it in due to memory constraints.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Because there's no achievement flag to tell the game you've gotten it.
If you wanted a flag for every piece of gear, then you're asking for a glamour catalogue of some sort which they said they were like 90% done at one point but couldn't put it in due to memory constraints.

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Indeed, I think this is the reason they said they wouldn't do it in the past. Don't get me wrong, I would love a proper catalogue system for glamour. But there are over 23,000 items that can be put in the glamour dresser - including all armour, accessories, weapons and tools. There are ways to rationalise the list somewhat, like one necklace unlocking the idential appearances for the other roles, but it's still going to be a way longer list than the 800 cap per player on the glamour dresser.

If they can figure out a way to do it though it would be lovely. We can always dream.

Digital hoarding is pathological behavior and your weird framing of this as some kind of sideways attempt at a cash grab is insane. Get a grip.

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Originally Posted by Jahk

4)Help with player drought in high end content. Player's can now have fun collecting all of the high end glamour weapons and armour from the savage raid tiers, extreme trials, alliance raids, deep dungeons, and boz/eureka content.

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I bet you would not use 1/10th of that. Keep the pieces you like the most and put them in the glamour dresser. Weapons and glamours from old extremes, savages and deep dungeons are easy to get and a lot of the old content is soloable or can be done with just a few people (there’s even copies of old extreme weapons on the MB). The only thing RNG are the ARR but I am sure you already know there are many pieces you wouldn’t use.

There's nothing special about blue gear. Half of it is tomestone gear or easily acquired tokens, so we effectively already have a system for you to safely discard and reclaim it, plus you can easily try it on at any point from the relevant shops. It's not worth farming unless you specifically need a piece.

The precious stuff is from alliance raids (blue) and endgame dungeons (green) that don't have any non-RNG way to acquire specific items.

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Originally Posted by ChonkGoblinSuprem

Digital hoarding is pathological behavior and your weird framing of this as some kind of sideways attempt at a cash grab is insane. Get a grip.

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Interesting perspective, but no. I work in this space and its easy to get lazy especially when you can make a few bucks and ignore it. It's not about hoarding its about deleting content that has been achieved. But nice edgy response very helpful to the discussion.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Because there's no achievement flag to tell the game you've gotten it.
If you wanted a flag for every piece of gear, then you're asking for a glamour catalogue of some sort which they said they were like 90% done at one point but couldn't put it in due to memory constraints.

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They may be looking too large scale. That's why I'm proposing just blue items. If they could do that I don't think the game currently would have an issue. Even still though they can absolutely make a workaround for there issues it may not be the original vision they had for the changes they have made but there are other solutions it, and I know first hand how brutal it is to start over on something like that so it could be engineering team morale issue as well. Thx for the response I'm glad they have responded somewhat to this issue in the past.

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Originally Posted by Jahk

Interesting perspective, but no. I work in this space and its easy to get lazy especially when you can make a few bucks and ignore it. It's not about hoarding its about deleting content that has been achieved. But nice edgy response very helpful to the discussion.

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irl hoarders have internally justified their pathology too