EW Relic Grind is just a streamlined version of ARR/HW Grind

Older relic grinds involve steps such as doing dungeons, trials and other duties to farm hundreds of thousands of points of "light" or to awaken mahatmas or whatever. These resources are really just thinly veiled: "do this old content repeatedly for a specific resource". What they did in EW is remove the specific restriction of forcing you to repeat the same duties instead to Tomes, which allow for you to do ANY relevant content.

So previously you had to do 60+ Garuda HM to maximize light. Instead of spamming the same duty, you have the freedom to do any duty and the relic just requires the common currency they all award. It's literally the same difference, they are just not pigeon holing you into only doing dungeons and trials and 24mans, which btw were content that already gave tomes. Instead of making a separate light, it's just tomes. You're still doing duties for them, you just get to pick your poison.

Oh really, then please enlighten me how I get to do any ARR duty, any HW duty, any Stormblood duty, any Shadowbringers duty or half the Endwalker duties to get my Allagan Tomestones of Causality...
Any relevant content? You mean the same 2 expert dungeons or hunt trains?

Well, in reality it's really just hunt trains because they're the most efficient option. The same thing we've been doing every week to cap tomestones, gain hunt nuts and materia since 6.0 anyway.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Oh really, then please enlighten me how I get to do any ARR duty, any HW duty, any Stormblood duty, any Shadowbringers duty or half the Endwalker duties to get my Allagan Tomestones of Causality...
Any relevant content? You mean the same 2 expert dungeons or hunt trains?

Well, in reality it's really just hunt trains because they're the most efficient option.

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Well a lot of players would be running expert roulette anyway for the 650 gear. Any casual player who cares about current gear at least, and raiders maybe for alt classes. Also get them from a variety of other 90 content.

I don't focus on it and have 7 at the 630 level just from weekly roulette grinds without going out of my way to farm any more.

Roulettes include most all the content you listed.

Its relevance is that you're going after your goal.

Pvp is my poison. I've never been allowed to pvp for a relic before EW which is a smart consideration considering the overhaul this expansion. Keeps the queues flowing.

Efficiency isn't everything if you don't need it to succeed.

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Roulettes include most all the content you listed.

Its relevance is that you're going after your goal.

Pvp is my poison. I've never been allowed to pvp for a relic before EW which is a smart consideration considering the overhaul this expansion. Keeps the queues flowing.

Efficiency isn't everything if you don't need it to succeed.

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Yes technically you can get tomestones from roulettes, but only once a day and you still have no control over what duty you actually get.

On top of that you're doing the same thing you've been doing since potentially 10 years, it is beyond stale.


But let's ignore the fact that you're just doing what you've been doing for years for a moment, the OP's entire premise is nonsense.
60 runs of Garuda HM? You could acquire light from almost anywhere, frontlines (there's your pvp for the relic btw), ARR dungeons, HW dungeons, 24man, normal raids, savage raids, trials. In that regard actually nothing has changed.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Yes technically you can get tomestones from roulettes, but only once a day and you still have no control over what duty you actually get.

On top of that you're doing the same thing you've been doing since potentially 10 years, it is beyond stale.

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I actually liked the first part of ARR honestly. A quest where you are actually looking for an ancient relic as the base of your Relic, maybe get a crafter's help for refining, and I'm pretty sure then the Chimera raid fight.

I wouldn't mind a really long story (not Hildebrand but more specific to an epic adventure, not the nonsense Hilde's quests are), complete with smaller grinds and unique raid battles. Where these types of relics lose me are the boring fate grinds. So maybe that's then where the zones they did later on would come into play to add some grind and story.

I will admit Hildebrand + tomestones is ... meh. Being honest with myself I don't find it worthy of the actual main relic weapon. Hope it's more compelling next time. It only appeals to me now as I had to get through Diablo 4, FF16, and soon Baldur's Gate 3 so the time I'm saving not being interested in XIV is helpful. But...that's not so great for XIV.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Yes technically you can get tomestones from roulettes, but only once a day and you still have no control over what duty you actually get.

On top of that you're doing the same thing you've been doing since potentially 10 years, it is beyond stale.

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What incentive for me is there to do more then the one relic I had tomestones when the patch went up for now? Next expansion it becomes a poetics dump which and I can do as many as I want at no negative impact to my crafting mats or tomestone gear for other classes.

Saying you have the "free to do any duty!" is rather disingenuous when the tome rewards from various activities are widely disproportionate to the investment. Case in point, re-clearing all five (including door boss) Savage fights nets me a measly 120 uncapped tomes for a considerably greater amount of effort than hopping on a hunt train and getting 240 or more depending on instances. So while, yes, I can technically do whatever 90 content I want. There are very clearly superior options.

Putting all that aside, this is still two sides of the same extreme. Nobody is denying having to farm 60 Garuda Hard Modes or running Rabnastre 20 times wasn't a drag. How about we simply demand better on either side of the coin from a ten year running game that prints money? Say what you will about Eureka and Bozja but they were at least different, especially with the addition of Logos actions. BA and DR were equally unique, going so far as to add bonuses in the case of the former. Why not expand on that further and iron out some of the criticisms people had to make something actually worthwhile to invest in for longer than a weekend?

At the end of the day, it simply feels bad to a lot of people that they can literally complete the relic "step" before the patch even releases because they already had 2,000 tomes prior to the patch releasing. In other words, it's no different than if they logged in and received a mogmail asking them to choose a free weapon.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

So previously you had to do 60+ Garuda HM to maximize light. Instead of spamming the same duty, you have the freedom to do any duty and the relic just requires the common currency they all award. It's literally the same difference, they are just not pigeon holing you into only doing dungeons and trials and 24mans, which btw were content that already gave tomes. Instead of making a separate light, it's just tomes. You're still doing duties for them, you just get to pick your poison.

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This is hella false. You could run any content to get light. Players did Garuda (during bonus) because it was the most time-efficient.

Old Relic: Patch Drops.
Unlock quest to gather X Item(s) to upgrade my relic. Spend however long to get items and upgrade.

Manderville Tombstone Weapon: Patch Drops
Unlock quest to upgrade. Buy item instantly and upgrade.

They are not comparable