Request to adjust Criterion Rewards

So first of all I don't want this thread to be full of game design armchairing on what the rewards should be. I'm not a game designer and I don't know what goals the team had with this in the first place.

Instead I want to express the sentiment that Criterion is very compelling content that I feel is made more inaccessible than it should be by the general lack of interest beyond its early release. I was really hoping adjustments would be made with the release of the second Criterion to alleviate this but nothing happened so I hope things can be changed on the release of the next one.

As one of the only forms of challenging 4 man content it's very sad to me how hard it feels to find groups in PF for this outside the release period.
And I think at this point it is commonly known that it relates to the reward structure at least partially. While I don't want to suggest anything on how to change it I just want to express that I hope things can be adjusted so more people play this piece of content for longer and also don't get discouraged from slowly working through it in PF.

To that end putting incentives into place that encourage more longevity and also reward progressing through each boss partially would be greatly appreciated. A lot of work seems to go into these and ideally I would like to see this kind of content thrive similarly to savage content in pf and not just become content you can only do by joining community discords for it.

Criterion could have more people attracted to it with a better reward structure of its own but also they could have included variant and criterion as part of the relic, that likely would have made more people seek out the content

Right now criterion is the second rung of a ladder of content that people don’t even really have any incentive to seek out the first level, even though the first level is arguably easier than the MSQ

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Originally Posted by Shenlao

So it seems like not enough people care too much about this so I guess gotta accept that me wanting Criterion to have stronger content presence in PF beyond the release is a hard minority wish. Discord communities it is.

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It's not that we don't care, it's that we've become too jaded at this point to believe CBU3 will change the rewards or add new ones.
When the first Criterion released we've had countless discussions about it's absolutely atrocious reward structure which handicapped the content from day 1 despite criterion dungeons being good content in itself, but come 8 months later and the devs show us they can't be bothered to do anything about it.

So why would I bother wasting more of my breath on feedback that's already been proven to get ignored?

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

It's not that we don't care, it's that we've become too jaded at this point to believe CBU3 will change the rewards or add new ones.
When the first Criterion released we've had countless discussions about it's absolutely atrocious reward structure which handicapped the content from day 1 despite criterion dungeons being good content in itself, but come 8 months later and the devs show us they can't be bothered to do anything about it.

So why would I bother wasting more of my breath on feedback that's already been proven to get ignored?

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Yep, that's pretty much it. Same with Kaiten, healers, and other major issues. The issues are still there, but community has beaten the topics to death, there isn't anything that hasn't been said for 100 times already. It's SE's turn to act upon it.

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Originally Posted by Shenlao

I see I dunno how that feedback was given last time and how many people even participated. I just saw a thread of some months ago on the gearing system getting tons of traction and they did adjust that twice even throughout this expansions. So my hope is if there is enough people actually showing this is a big issue that they'll do something about it as well.
But if it's just only 5 people caring enough to highlight it I'm realistically not seeing this getting any priority.

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If popular ffxiv streamers like Zepla and Mr.Happy have been trying to communicate this exact feedback on the terrible Criterion rewards and its falling on deaf ears then pretty much this is the state of the game.

Vote with your wallets, quit and refuse to resub regardless of ingame house. If they want to fuck around and refuse dialogue instead of pre selected easy questions, answer with the only thing they care about - no more money, no more sub, no more mog station.

I agree Criterion needs better incentives and rewards, but I personally do not believe that attaching the relic to it is the solution. Nor would it give it the longevity it deserves. Putting relic behind Criterion simply creates an Eureka/Bozja problem where post expansion, it's difficult to retroactively find people to queue for the content. When I think of longevity, I'm thinking far into the next expansion as well. Traditionally, with the main exception of Eureka. Relics usually rely on reviving old content in some fashion. For example, you could do Bozja FATEs, or you could do Heavenward FATEs and Crystal Tower. Between the two, the old content was the faster of the two to farm. Plus, some of the routes taken in Criterion is dependent on your party and everyone needs different routes. As much as I believe Criterion does need better rewards, I cannot in good faith suggest it to be tied to the relic.

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Originally Posted by Nav_Fae

I agree Criterion needs better incentives and rewards, but I personally do not believe that attaching the relic to it is the solution. Nor would it give it the longevity it deserves. Putting relic behind Criterion simply creates an Eureka/Bozja problem where post expansion, it's difficult to retroactively find people to queue for the content. When I think of longevity, I'm thinking far into the next expansion as well. Traditionally, with the main exception of Eureka. Relics usually rely on reviving old content in some fashion. For example, you could do Bozja FATEs, or you could do Heavenward FATEs and Crystal Tower. Between the two, the old content was the faster of the two to farm. Plus, some of the routes taken in Criterion is dependent on your party and everyone needs different routes. As much as I believe Criterion does need better rewards, I cannot in good faith suggest it to be tied to the relic.

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The routes you are referring to is Variant Dungeon. Criterion is the linear, higher difficulty one so there is no "lets go X" argument other than what mob to attack first, which absolutely should deserve better rewards.

I was really hoping criterion would be middleground content that we could farm for extra gear outside of buying crafting and tome stuff (or normal raid gear). It'd keep me busy awhile

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

The routes you are referring to is Variant Dungeon. Criterion is the linear, higher difficulty one so there is no "lets go X" argument other than what mob to attack first, which absolutely should deserve better rewards.

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Ah my mistake on that bullet. But my point remains the same that they shouldn't be tied.