Did SE threaten to not make ultimates anymore?

Or am I reading too much into Yoship's "If you use cheats in hard content, what is the point" remark in his statement?

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Originally Posted by _forgotten

Or am I reading too much into Yoship's "If you use cheats in hard content, what is the point" remark in his statement?

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This may have been some emotion. I would feel similar if I was on a dev team and players just cheated through my content while I spent however many hours developing a raid for players who want "hard content", only to get slapped in the face afterwords.

putting words in people's mouths I see, as usual with this community. Its just literally a self-reflective thought he expressed regarding the integrity of creating this kind of content.

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Originally Posted by _forgotten

Or am I reading too much into Yoship's "If you use cheats in hard content, what is the point" remark in his statement?

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Good for him. Using add-ons in a game where it's scripted is really not needed and ruins the experience for everyone.

I'm waiting for bot checkers next. GO ON YOSHI!

No I totally get where he's coming from. But if these are the comments we're making, because of a handful of players. Their punishment better be on level with this sort of backlash to their gameplay.

Corporal punishment is never the answer.

Either that or "we will make more but we will no longer make them as hard". It honestly sounds like "were tired of rampart cheating in Savage and Ultimate after we design those to be beatable vanilla, so we might as well not bother designing precise high difficulty fights anymore if only people who even do it, do it unfairly." Which is understandable from creative point of view.

When's the next ultimate anyway? 7.1? Plenty of time to implement new QoL that should replace some third-party tools.
However, I'd welcome the resources they spend on ultimate difficulty to other parts of the game.

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Originally Posted by _forgotten

No I totally get where he's coming from. But if these are the comments we're making, because of a handful of players. Their punishment better be on level with this sort of backlash to their gameplay.

Corporal punishment is never the answer.

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Ppl have moaned for years there's no mods reading the EU forums.. he's just basically said he reads them.

He's made a game that can be cleared without add-ons and ppl have abused that. Shame really, good for him for standing up to his TOS.

I don't think this translates into a threat or him not making ultimates any more.

What I think he meant was "We work hard on this, for people whose express purpose is the challenge. If you use tools to remove the challenge and get an upper edge over your competitors, what was the point of us agreeing to make these fights? Who are we making it for?"

Because keep in mind, today it was 3rd Party tools. Back then, when UWU came out, people datamined the game to figure out mechanics.

And at that time, there were people who asked "Okay, so what was the point of making a harder fight designed to make you explore your options and figure things out if you're just going to circumvent it?"

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

putting words in people's mouths I see, as usual with this community. Its just literally a self-reflective thought he expressed regarding the integrity of creating this kind of content.

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They're not assuming. That's why there's a topic, asking if they're reading too much into it.

If anyone's outright putting words in other people's mouths it would be you.