What was they thinking when they did variant dungeons and criterion

first of all the dungeons in them self are WELL MADE, close as we ever got to what i want from dungeons in this game. but there one problem. why will any one run them after a weak or to not to talk about in 6.3 .
if the dungeon are got what can be the problem you may ask. it the rewords. variant the easy one get the best rework in a form of a ONE glam. if you wan tit you "grind" for it . a thing you can do in a dat or 2. then why will you ever go there. its not faster that a normal dungeon. the tomes are not even that good.
then criterion , nothing good to get from it. like WTF. you can get a mount but when was the list time open world was a relevant thing? where will you even use this mount?
as well made the dungeon so bad are the rewords.
yoshi totally wasted development time here on content that wont be relent after a weak or 2. now add RELEVENT crafting mats as drops you can get in the dungeons or buy from its currency and update it each patch. now there a reason to go there past the glam and mount.
what you think of thins?:confused:

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Originally Posted by magitekLuna

first of all the dungeons in them self are WELL MADE, close as we ever got to what i want from dungeons in this game. but there one problem. why will any one run them after a weak or to not to talk about in 6.3 .
if the dungeon are got what can be the problem you may ask. it the rewords. variant the easy one get the best rework in a form of a ONE glam. if you wan tit you "grind" for it . a thing you can do in a dat or 2. then why will you ever go there. its not faster that a normal dungeon. the tomes are not even that good.
then criterion , nothing good to get from it. like WTF. you can get a mount but when was the list time open world was a relevant thing? where will you even use this mount?
as well made the dungeon so bad are the rewords.
yoshi totally wasted development time here on content that wont be relent after a weak or 2. now add RELEVENT crafting mats as drops you can get in the dungeons or buy from its currency and update it each patch. now there a reason to go there past the glam and mount.
what you think of thins?:confused:

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I was both stunned and underwhelmed when I saw the state of the rewards for Variant/Criterion dungeons. I was even more shocked that there were some who defended this "because its something new they're trying" as if that was any sort of acceptable excuse.

This must be corrected with all haste, even adding crafting mats to the rewards in a hotfix or 6.28 would be preferable to leaving this content to rot until 6.45.

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Originally Posted by magitekLuna

first of all the dungeons in them self are WELL MADE, close as we ever got to what i want from dungeons in this game. but there one problem. why will any one run them after a weak or to not to talk about in 6.3 .
if the dungeon are got what can be the problem you may ask. it the rewords. variant the easy one get the best rework in a form of a ONE glam. if you wan tit you "grind" for it . a thing you can do in a dat or 2. then why will you ever go there. its not faster that a normal dungeon. the tomes are not even that good.
then criterion , nothing good to get from it. like WTF. you can get a mount but when was the list time open world was a relevant thing? where will you even use this mount?
as well made the dungeon so bad are the rewords.
yoshi totally wasted development time here on content that wont be relent after a weak or 2. now add RELEVENT crafting mats as drops you can get in the dungeons or buy from its currency and update it each patch. now there a reason to go there past the glam and mount.
what you think of thins?:confused:

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we already have multiple threads regarding this discussion.

Anyways I agree, while there's still a "completion" aspect to it regarding the 12 paths, we do need some form of relevant rewards.

I'm going to cackle if they tie the relic to running this repeatedly. There's your longevity.

In all seriousness, they added a completely new tier of content with this. It's going to take some time to figure out the reward structure, and it may be necessary to question the ironclad system they've used for the last decade to truly fix it. As things stand the game's rewards are as binary as its content: Standard or Savage.

It's not an easy problem to fix, and it may take several things to fix for the long term -- something like a static level cap, an absolute ilvl cap, horizontal progression via content-specific power enhancement, and god knows what else. The 75 era of FFXI (where you do x expansion for a good ring, y expansion for a good earring) or the current expansion structure of GW2 (nothing goes out of date, but you get new features for clearing content) might hint in the direction that might fix the binary gear we have now, but I'm sure Square can come up with their own take on things-- like they always have.

I mean sure, they could add more rewards, why not. Crafting material, aetheryte tickets, maybe tomestone gear upgrades in 6.3?

But it's very normal for them to add a mount reward to everything to motivate people to do it. They do it for extreme, savage, blue mage raiding, hunting, fate grinding, leveling all jobs, doing pvp, collecting triple triad cards, doing lots of crafting in the firmament, island sanctuary and I could go on but every major content they add they usually put a mount there to make sure people who would otherwise ignore it try it out.

Also I do feel like they're testing the waters out first with this content in its base release. I'm pretty sure they'll give us an update come next LL regarding the rewards system based on feedback and they do probably have ideas to tie relics or add in some form of gear progression.

considering they added a whole new menu for it I doubt Variants and Criterions are gonna stop with this one, and they'll likely add more rewards with each one

it is kinda lame that you can't get much from it currently but that's honestly fine with me, the experience of figuring out the puzzles for some of the records (especially 12) was absolutely worth it even if all I got was the rat mount

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Originally Posted by vanaii

I'm going to cackle if they tie the relic to running this repeatedly. There's your longevity.

In all seriousness, they added a completely new tier of content with this. It's going to take some time to figure out the reward structure, and it may be necessary to question the ironclad system they've used for the last decade to truly fix it. As things stand the game's rewards are as binary as its content: Standard or Savage.

It's not an easy problem to fix, and it may take several things to fix for the long term -- something like a static level cap, an absolute ilvl cap, horizontal progression via content-specific power enhancement, and god knows what else. The 75 era of FFXI (where you do x expansion for a good ring, y expansion for a good earring) or the current expansion structure of GW2 (nothing goes out of date, but you get new features for clearing content) might hint in the direction that might fix the binary gear we have now, but I'm sure Square can come up with their own take on things-- like they always have.

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here we go on the defending of yoshi. new content? this game after how 10 or so years 9 years or run cant figure out what rewards to give? they don't know hat people care for and hat not? take first deep dungeon vs the second. first give WAY more glams and people cared more to run it.It's not an easy problem to fix? yes it is, add crafting mats that are relevant to the best craft you can make now.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I mean sure, they could add more rewards, why not. Crafting material, aetheryte tickets, maybe tomestone gear upgrades in 6.3?

But it's very normal for them to add a mount reward to everything to motivate people to do it. They do it for extreme, savage, blue mage raiding, hunting, fate grinding, leveling all jobs, doing pvp, collecting triple triad cards, doing lots of crafting in the firmament, island sanctuary and I could go on but every major content they add they usually put a mount there to make sure people who would otherwise ignore it try it out.

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and so far it FAILED hard core. what % even care to run harder content in this game when all you get is a mount.

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Originally Posted by SylvAlternate

considering they added a whole new menu for it I doubt Variants and Criterions are gonna stop with this one, and they'll likely add more rewards with each one

it is kinda lame that you can't get much from it currently but that's honestly fine with me, the experience of figuring out the puzzles for some of the records (especially 12) was absolutely worth it even if all I got was the rat mount

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point me to the ONE content they did add more reword to over time. i hope they will but its SE. look at the first and second deep dungeon. the second got way less things you can get from it.

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Originally Posted by magitekLuna

here we go on the defending of yoshi. new content? this game after how 10 or so years 9 years or run cant figure out what rewards to give? they don't know hat people care for and hat not? take first deep dungeon vs the second. first give WAY more glams and people cared more to run it.It's not an easy problem to fix? yes it is, add crafting mats that are relevant to the best craft you can make now.

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maybe you should apply for a job there.