Fix normal dungeons to!!!

I realsie the new side dungeons coming out but SE come on.. Fix your msq dungeons 80-90 was played in all 80 gear and all copy and paste dungeons

step-1 grab group 1 run to group 2
step 2 grab group 2 kill groups 1/2
step-3 grab group 3 run to group 4
step-4 kill groupd 3/4
step -5 kill boss
rinse ne repete the whole dungeon

EVERY dungeon every run its shameful you put so much time into the looks but you basic design sucks and every dongeun the same..

What happen to you Se?? I dont remember any expac i could run in the previous gear (non savage gear just tome gear) Crafting at 90 I could make HQ lvl 90- crafting outfit n tools in my old 80 gear..

The basic game it self needs help stop copy and pasting dungeons..the big excitement for the latest dungeon 1 change..the first boss starts out more aoe mobs till the boss pops

I've only seen ARR dungeons so far, but a friend told me apparently people seem to prefer linearity, so they stopped doing non-linear dungeons?

Your point stands if they literally follow the same formula down to the number of pulls in each section thoigh, that does seem uninspired.

We used to have nonlinear dungeons and we spent a lot of time waiting for new people to figure out which way to go, or wasting time killing unnecessary mobs (which now also don't give any rewards at all, making them even more pointless). Not every dungeon is three sets of

pack-pack-wall
pack-pack-wall
midboss

Some have three packs before or after the first wall, some have five packs with no walls and it's up to you to know whether the "standard" pull is two then three or three then two, or if pulling all five packs is doable safely or if it's a deathwish. The current dungeon formula is fine and is varied enough where it needs to be--namely, where bosses are concerned. They're runnable in a standard amount of time ranging from 15 to 20 minutes without having to stop to tell people where to go or what to do and that makes them good daily task fodder.

For those who want something different, we have the new special dungeon format coming in 6.25. (Please look forward to it.)

Dungeon design evolved around the way players in random groups chose to play the earlier dungeons. Players would ignore the side rooms, they would pick a best route, etc.

Why waste time on adding the additional elements that would end up ignored in the long run?

We'll be getting the first Variant dungeon in a few weeks. I'm sure SE will be watching to see what players do over time. I'll lay odds that once all the possible combinations have been explored, players in random groups will once again determine a best route and expect everyone to stick to it.

Gotta say, I really do miss WoW's more open dungeon layouts lately. Even if they're not as fantastically large as they used to be, a lot of them in the M+ era still allowed a degree of path choice.

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Originally Posted by LifeupOmega

Gotta say, I really do miss WoW's more open dungeon layouts lately. Even if they're not as fantastically large as they used to be, a lot of them in the M+ era still allowed a degree of path choice.

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Even then, though, if you were running M+, within a very short time people had already determined the "optimal" route to kill precisely enough mobs to satisfy the requirements, and every run was expected to follow that route. Personally, it's the ambience of the dungeons that I really enjoy. Look at something like the Dead Ends or Smileton and everything going on in the background.

And as others have mentioned, the "mob" approach to current dungeons is precisely because of how we the players ran them. There is also still some variety in terms of particular pats, 3rd pulls, and so on.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

Even then, though, if you were running M+, within a very short time people had already determined the "optimal" route to kill precisely enough mobs to satisfy the requirements, and every run was expected to follow that route.

And as others have mentioned, the "mob" approach to current dungeons is precisely because of how we the players ran them. There is also still some variety in terms of particular pats, 3rd pulls, and so on.

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M+, unless ran with a group of friends, was always a miserable, miserable experience. Not just the M+ versions of the dungeons, but the "optimal" route mapped by top M+ players would inevitably trickle down to the more "casual" players that do the normal, heroic and M0 versions, and they'd turn into utter tryhards.
I got a lot of toxicity and vitriol from people for pulling a single pack that technically didn't need to be fought, or for not knowing the entire route inside out BEFORE the dungeon released (thanks PTR).
I think a curated, linear dungeon can work just fine, but I also think FF might be taking it a bit far, and seem outright afraid of any kind of variety aside from the visuals and boss mechanics. But maybe that's what variant/criterion is here to change.