DNC closed position switch

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I'm not going to discuss anything in this thread other than one single annoying thing about DNC , which is how DNC switches their partner mid combat or even in transitions
it is extremely clunky and I find it really funny how the solution for that is already in the game in another class ( SGE kardia )
yes it's extremely funny how SGE switches their kardia target so smooth , and no please don't come with the "but the dnc has a buff so it must switches like this"
please please please for the love of god make it not as clunky as it is now , and yeah I understand that some players don't even get annoyed by this cause they let the buff on a single player , but it is a viable criticism that it shouldn't be this clunky when it's best for the group that you switch your dnc partner ( like in DSR )

I'm assuming you're referring to the fact that you have to hit Ending before applying Closed Position on someone else?

While I do agree it is kind of clunky, undoubtedly the skill is designed like this to prevent enterprising Dancers from just repeatedly swapping Closed Position on different party members until both DPS are buffed with Standard Finish. While this is feasibly hard to pull off, it is still possible seeing as Standard Finish lasts a minute and Standard Step only has a 30 second recast. Once both DPS were buffed all the Dancer would have to do is recast Standard Finish every 30 seconds to keep both DPS buffed, which goes against the Dancer's unique partner system. This is arguably why Technical Finish exists, is to give Dancers the opportunity to provide for the rest of the party outside their Dance Partner.

Your comparison with Kardia is flawed seeing as Kardia only provides healing and not a long-lasting 5% damage increase, and as a healer being able to swap Kardia to whoever is taking more damage at the moment is important.

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Originally Posted by Memoranda

I'm assuming you're referring to the fact that you have to hit Ending before applying Closed Position on someone else?

While I do agree it is kind of clunky, undoubtedly the skill is designed like this to prevent enterprising Dancers from just repeatedly swapping Closed Position on different party members until both DPS are buffed with Standard Finish. While this is feasibly hard to pull off, it is still possible seeing as Standard Finish lasts a minute and Standard Step only has a 30 second recast. Once both DPS were buffed all the Dancer would have to do is recast Standard Finish every 30 seconds to keep both DPS buffed, which goes against the Dancer's unique partner system. This is arguably why Technical Finish exists, is to give Dancers the opportunity to provide for the rest of the party outside their Dance Partner.

Your comparison with Kardia is flawed seeing as Kardia only provides healing and not a long-lasting 5% damage increase, and as a healer being able to swap Kardia to whoever is taking more damage at the moment is important.

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Easy. Just make rule that only 1 person in party can have buff from dancer thats it

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Originally Posted by Stasya

Easy. Just make rule that only 1 person in party can have buff from dancer thats it

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Except then that invalidates the fact that in some instances, swapping your Dance Partner in the middle of a fight is actually something that needs to be done, particularly if you're trying to line up with a DPS' personal burst phase. Then you'll have to wait the full minute for Standard Finish to fall off the other DPS before you can apply Closed Position to the new DPS-- except by then, said new DPS is likely done with their burst phase and you just swapped partners for no reason.

I'm not trying to sound rude, but this is why you guys aren't developers. You see one thing that is a "problem" that needs fixing and then don't consider how your solution affects other things. The OP is merely disgruntled that they can't just swap at the press of one button and doesn't consider why the ability is set up that way.

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Originally Posted by Memoranda

Except then that invalidates the fact that in some instances, swapping your Dance Partner in the middle of a fight is actually something that needs to be done, particularly if you're trying to line up with a DPS' personal burst phase. Then you'll have to wait the full minute for Standard Finish to fall off the other DPS before you can apply Closed Position to the new DPS-- except by then, said new DPS is likely done with their burst phase and you just swapped partners for no reason.

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No. Just remove Standard Finish and Esprit from the old dance partner either (A) when they lose dance partner or (B) when you grant Standard Finish and Esprit to a new partner.

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Originally Posted by Memoranda

I'm assuming you're referring to the fact that you have to hit Ending before applying Closed Position on someone else?

While I do agree it is kind of clunky, undoubtedly the skill is designed like this to prevent enterprising Dancers from just repeatedly swapping Closed Position on different party members until both DPS are buffed with Standard Finish. While this is feasibly hard to pull off, it is still possible seeing as Standard Finish lasts a minute and Standard Step only has a 30 second recast. Once both DPS were buffed all the Dancer would have to do is recast Standard Finish every 30 seconds to keep both DPS buffed, which goes against the Dancer's unique partner system. This is arguably why Technical Finish exists, is to give Dancers the opportunity to provide for the rest of the party outside their Dance Partner.

Your comparison with Kardia is flawed seeing as Kardia only provides healing and not a long-lasting 5% damage increase, and as a healer being able to swap Kardia to whoever is taking more damage at the moment is important.

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people already responded to you with that I had in mind , I never said keep the buff on both? I literally only spoke about how fluid the switch should be. everything else should be the same
it's fine to work as it is now , in terms of when you switch the partner the other person don't get the buff until you use standard finish. I'm only speaking about pressing the button and then pressing it AGAIN! for the same purpose
but yeah just remove the buffs from the old partner. it doesn't have to be this clunky , it's really bad atm

Also "but this is why you guys aren't developers" is really funny considering how devs themselves have had really funny abilities and the COMMUNITY suggested better alternatives.
need I remind you of old shake it off? lmao. it was literally useless in raids until the community told the devs that it needs to be changed
gotta love those who blindly defends devs and don't want abilities to be upgraded\fixed cause "the devs know better"
if you think the devs can't make this clunky dnc partner switch better then you're just delusional buddy

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Originally Posted by Stasya

Easy. Just make rule that only 1 person in party can have buff from dancer thats it

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Or just make it that swapping Dance partners is an actual part of the skill ceiling by making CP swap like Kardia. That's probably an unpopular opinion though, but I would enjoy it.

Correct me if I'm wrong. But as far as I remember, ending the partner stance automatically removes the standard finish and esprit buff from their partner. You can accidentally fat finger & end the stance as soon as you initiate Standard Finish, stripping your to-be partner's 5% damage buff for the next 30s.

I see no reason for them to not do some QoL improvement to make swapping more fluid like SGE's Kardion outside being an oversight. Being a DNC sometimes in DF contents or helping filling up DPS slots in friend's static I will always swap partner around to who I consider the best performer or temporarily if my old partner died getting that weakness/BoD for a time being.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Correct me if I'm wrong. But as far as I remember, ending the partner stance automatically removes the standard finish and esprit buff from their partner. You can accidentally fat finger & end the stance as soon as you initiate Standard Finish, stripping your to-be partner's 5% damage buff for the next 30s.

I see no reason for them to not do some QoL improvement to make swapping more fluid like SGE's Kardion outside being an oversight. Being a DNC sometimes in DF contents or helping filling up DPS slots in friend's static I will always swap partner around to who I consider the best performer or temporarily if my old partner died getting that weakness/BoD for a time being.

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you are correct , as soon as you end the partner stance your previous dnc partner gets stripped off standard finish buff and esp buff as well
a good QoL for it would be nice , a fluid way of switching partner would be really comfy and no one is against it except mr "devs know better" :D