Interesting Question Regarding Voidsent.....

Say a Voidsent is killed on the Source. As we know they were once people, would their souls go to the Source's aetherial sea, be purified (since the aetherial sea cleanses corruption of the soul), and reincarnate as normal people? Or are their souls so thoroughly corrupted they can't be cleansed? If the latter, then what happens to their souls? If it's the former than we could, theoretically, "save" the transfigured inhabitants of the Void by bringing them to the Source, killing them, and letting their souls go to our lifestream and be purified and be reborn as normal people.

Something I'd like to ask the devs about next story live letter.

I think it was implied that you can't truly kill voidsent unless they bring their physical bodies over to the Source, as their soul is simply banished back to their original body back in the void should their vessel be destroyed.

That said, I feel somewhat doubtful we've seen the last of some voidsent like Diabolos because while did he did get blown up by the Nullstone, it was stated that it nullifies pacts by destroying the vessel involved, not necessarily the soul occupying it.

This makes me wonder if we could find some way of diverting a reflections aether sea to feed back into the source could that cause a non cataclysmic rejoining. Beings would die off, but then flow back to the Source preventing new life from occurring on the reflection.

But to go with original question I think voidsent are so far gone that when killed they fully die meaning soul and aether too. Would also explain why the Ascians considered the world a lost cause. No hope of anything there ever being rejoined no matter what method used.

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Originally Posted by Necrotica

Would also explain why the Ascians considered the world a lost cause. No hope of anything there ever being rejoined no matter what method used.

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The Ascians considered the Thirteenth a lost cause because there was no way to bring it back into balance. On the First we brought back some of the balance not by injecting darkness, but by removing some of the excess light. That's not possible on the Thirteenth because there is no (or at least not enough) light left so removing some of the darkness wouldn't change anything.

Though that conclusion is now in doubt, after certain ShB revelations...

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Originally Posted by Brightamethyst

The Ascians considered the Thirteenth a lost cause because there was no way to bring it back into balance. On the First we brought back some of the balance not by injecting darkness, but by removing some of the excess light. That's not possible on the Thirteenth because there is no (or at least not enough) light left so removing some of the darkness wouldn't change anything.

Though that conclusion is now in doubt, after certain ShB revelations...

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Their plan was to, once Zodiark was together enough to be operable, sacrifice lives to Zodiark to fix the Thirteenth, then do a proper Rejoining. Because of course that was their plan, it's always their plan even if alternatives are available. If Lahabrea was out of peanut butter his first angle would be to sacrifice lives to Zodiark to get more, he'd only settle for alternatives once that proved unviable.

And while completely unrelated to the topic, it's folly to consider a 'non-cataclysmic Rejoining', because a Rejoining by nature requires a destruction of a society, even if doesn't cause an apocalyse on the Source. A 'non-cataclysmic Rejoining of the Thirteenth' would still effectively kill the Thirteenth, and to no real benefit unless you're specifically an Ascian who considers all sundered lives inferior to unsundered lives.

The 'Four Fiends' that we see in the 6.1 cutscene seem to have been around for 10000 years or so. I suspect that it's a case of being 'cursed with immortality', and there might not be a way for lost souls on the Thirteenth to actually return to the lifestream at present.

I do want to know more about aetheric corruption and how it relates to the rejoinings and calamities to date. For example, what prevented the First from instantly becoming like the Thirteenth when Ardbert killed Mitron and Loghrif? Does the element in question actually matter, or could you create a 'Void of Light' filled with sin eaters?

I am curious if the "salvation" they seek is in the same vein as Ardbert and company once did in that they intend to free the denizens of the 13th through death, though I'd think a rejoining is out of the question unless the circumstances have changed in some fundamental manner that makes the rules that once held no longer apply.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

For example, what prevented the First from instantly becoming like the Thirteenth when Ardbert killed Mitron and Loghrif?

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Minfilia.

Eden was a perfect kickoff for the First falling to an element, even if Mitron probably wasn't happy with the conditions; all a Rejoining takes is that, and a sufficient explosion of aether (be that explosion literal or figurative) on the Source to take it in. The Thirteenth is described as falling to a 'Flood of Darkness', so they seemed to face identical but aetherically-flipped phenomena.

There were a few contenders for the explosion to cause the Calamity; we stopped Thordan and Alexander, the Students of Baldesion stopped Eureka, and later on Gaius and Estinien stopped Black Rose. However, without all of that, the First was still on a death spiral that would've ended it like the Thirteenth until Minfilia yanked Ardbert's crew back to the First to halt the Flood of Light.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I am curious if the "salvation" they seek is in the same vein as Ardbert and company once did in that they intend to free the denizens of the 13th through death, though I'd think a rejoining is out of the question unless the circumstances have changed in some fundamental manner that makes the rules that once held no longer apply.

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I'm curious where you're hearing 'salvation' from, because I just checked the scene with the Thrones and Obvious Golbez, and he says they seek redemption. Which is... still an interestingly loaded word to use, but one that's very different to 'salvation'.

What was it that Zeno's voidsent said at the end? When he returned to the 13th I can't remember off hand but maybe salvation was said there no wait he said something about saviors didn't he?

Just another case of the mandela effect kicking in and making me associate a similar sounding and oft-used but incorrect word/phrase with something...though the two words are actually interchangeable when it comes to theology.

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Originally Posted by Rannie

What was it that Zeno's voidsent said at the end? When he returned to the 13th I can't remember off hand but maybe salvation was said there no wait he said something about saviors didn't he?

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"And thus I am returned...to this world bereft of saviors" was the quote...I think.

It does make me wonder whether or not the thing is going to be an antagonist.