Dancer really is bad.

Even with the buffs it gets, you just can't seem to do much if you get animation locked to death with honing dance or get stunned or super focused while you doing your limit break. The animation and the effect to apply takes so long that as soon they see it i'm stunned or super focused by the time the animation releases me thus killing me T_T

If the animation delay is going to stay on LB, I'd like to see at least the first charm mimic poly in that it can't be purified; or it should break guard like RPR. The other option is to increase its range, like Superflare. Otherwise, the opportunity cost is too often too high. Like you said, you're bound to get focused from people at 16y+ and decimated.

IMO, I'd take a potency nerf if they'd just admit their mistake and revert the range of GCD/Saber Dance back to 25y. If not, atleast make En Avante usable during Honing Dance. It was the ONLY reason tech step was effective pre 6.1. And all of this is just to make DNC more competitive in CC.. As of rn, it's almost useless in FL.

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Originally Posted by KickRox

If the animation delay is going to stay on LB, I'd like to see at least the first charm mimic poly in that it can't be purified; or it should break guard like RPR.

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But doesn't it already do that? You can't Purify charm or Guard before it cause the charm removes it

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Originally Posted by KickRox

If the animation delay is going to stay on LB, I'd like to see at least the first charm mimic poly in that it can't be purified; or it should break guard like RPR. The other option is to increase its range, like Superflare. Otherwise, the opportunity cost is too often too high. Like you said, you're bound to get focused from people at 16y+ and decimated.

IMO, I'd take a potency nerf if they'd just admit their mistake and revert the range of GCD/Saber Dance back to 25y. If not, atleast make En Avante usable during Honing Dance. It was the ONLY reason tech step was effective pre 6.1. And all of this is just to make DNC more competitive in CC.. As of rn, it's almost useless in FL.

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Contradance breaks Guard and cannot be purified. It's exactly the same as Hysteria, just forcing movement in an opposite direction.

DNC lives and dies by the quality of their teammates, and especially a *specific* teammate. If you can partner with a top tier MNK, for example, DNC is an absolute beast. But without party queuing, there's no way you can reliably guarantee that. DNC isn't bad so much as it's too risky to justify playing over BRD, which occupies a similar position and is substantially less reliant on having a top-tier melee DPS on your team.

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Originally Posted by Gserpent

Contradance breaks Guard and cannot be purified. It's exactly the same as Hysteria, just forcing movement in an opposite direction.

DNC lives and dies by the quality of their teammates, and especially a *specific* teammate. If you can partner with a top tier MNK, for example, DNC is an absolute beast. But without party queuing, there's no way you can reliably guarantee that. DNC isn't bad so much as it's too risky to justify playing over BRD, which occupies a similar position and is substantially less reliant on having a top-tier melee DPS on your team.

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It prevents guard, but in my experiences it's not breaking it. I've also purified it multiple times. It could be that I'm mistaken re: the former, and that I only remember purifying the second charm.

It's not that DNC doesn't have tools and can't be played well. In and of itself, DNC has strengths. But, those strengths fall considerably short when compared to that of BRD and MCH, thus creating an equally substantial imbalance vs having either of the other two in a party vs DNC.

I'm not makin' meatballs.. I agree with your and Nanne's points. Suffice it to say that there is undoubtedly room for small tweaks that could help bring DNC's value closer to BRD/MCH.

Maybe I'm mistaken. Honestly, I don't see DNC that often (thank god.) Honestly, I think the only person I've ever seen play DNC consistently is Siyin and I'm pretty sure they play literally every class. I guess they get bored easily, lol.

I think similar to Hysteria you can Purify during it but you won't remove the CC from you. It literally just wastes it and goes on a 30s cooldown :p

To be honest I am shocked it didn't get a pot buff when Reaper did. You really don't see them do much, and my heart goes out to them. Animation locks in PVP are super bad How many LB bars have been wasted across multiple jobs from self CCing I wonder. How did we end up with this weird thing where most of the instant Limit breaks are also the most impactful? I hope they buff DNC pot again next time.

Just did it again, another match, Got in the middle of a 5 man clumped up, popped limit break doing the team fight, by the time I start my Honing dance OH LOOK i'm already at 30% and can't use recoup cause i'm spinning in a circle. Went from 100% down to 30% within the time frame of using the limit break.

SIIIIGH.

15y is really awkward to use for a RANGED job. Even NIN's ranged skill are 25y...