During the claiming period allowing lateral first come first serve relocations

Allowing relocations and limiting them only to lateral moves on newly vacated houses during the claiming period allows for house shuffling into more desirable plots, and ensures that the same amount of large/medium/small plots remain available to bid on during the next bidding cycle.

We all have preferences whether we want to have a beach front plot, a secluded nature plot, a plot by the pool, or simply in the same ward with friends. Given the current housing situation with limited wards, there isn't any decent mechanism for that.

I think even if they limited to same housing area lateral moves... goblet med -> goblet med/small in the same or different ward, that would still be better than the current system if people were worried about less plots being available for more popular housing areas...

One of the big arguments by the pro-loterites was "But lottery allows people who have jobs and kids to get a house without having to deal with the login queues and rush"

What you are suggesting brings back that very first-second rush of First-Come-First-Serve relocation. The very second the plots were chosen at 1am in the morning people would feel obliged to log in, check their placard, then run as fast as possible to the better house and try to snag it with a relocation.

Wouldn't those busy and responsible people who have their lives, jobs and kids miss out, while the (as the pro-loterites termed them) no-lifers do those long 1am queues, and bot-fueled rush in the first second of the results period hoping for a relocate to the better house?

Edit: If you want a better house under this system you need to bid for it. If you win, then you can relocate your Goblet 52 into it. If you don't win, then you stay in your Goblet 52.

That disrupts things for those who had legitimately won the plot via the lottery and opens the door to a lot of trolling via relocation. There's also the question of whether the system coding can sustain both FCFS and lottery purchase mechanics at the same time.

I don't see that ever happening.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

One of the big arguments by the pro-loterites was "But lottery allows people who have jobs and kids to get a house without having to deal with the login queues and rush"

What you are suggesting brings back that very first-second rush of First-Come-First-Serve relocation. The very second the plots were chosen at 1am in the morning people would feel obliged to log in, check their placard, then run as fast as possible to the better house and try to snag it with a relocation.

Wouldn't those busy and responsible people who have their lives, jobs and kids miss out, while the (as the pro-loterites termed them) no-lifers do those long 1am queues, and bot-fueled rush in the first second of the results period hoping for a relocate to the better house?

Edit: If you want a better house under this system you need to bid for it. If you win, then you can relocate your Goblet 52 into it. If you don't win, then you stay in your Goblet 52.

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This is not about "getting" a house. Under no circumstances do the number of houses available, change during this period. This is a shuffling period. For every house that gets relocated into, another house is vacated that can be relocated into while relocating is active or bid on during the next bidding cycle.

This is not the same thing.

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Originally Posted by caspergrey

This is not about "getting" a house. Under no circumstances do the number of houses available, change during this period. This is a shuffling period. For every house that gets relocated into, another house is vacated that can be relocated into while relocating is active or bid on during the next bidding cycle.

This is not the same thing.

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I guess I am confused about what you are asking for then. Are you asking for a new part of the lottery be added at the end of the claiming period that allows players to relocate without having to deal with the lottery? Are you saying the claiming period should include a first come first serve relocation so that you can snipe houses from other players by relocating to the plot? I think both would be pretty terrible and defeat the purpose of having a lottery, to make it fair for everyone.

It sounds like you just want the ability to freely relocate your house around without having to go through the lottery.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

That disrupts things for those who had legitimately won the plot via the lottery and opens the door to a lot of trolling via relocation. There's also the question of whether the system coding can sustain both FCFS and lottery purchase mechanics at the same time.

I don't see that ever happening.

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I think you might have misinterpreted the suggestion.

The lottery still exists. At the start of the lottery, all open plots become available to be bid on.

It's simply saying, that as people move into plots they've won, any vacated plots during this time period are available for some sort of lateral or less relocation. For the same of argument, it would be fine it it was even limited to within a ward. Effectively creating a shuffling period before the next period starts.

In the most conservative example, where relocations are restricted to lateral moves in the same housing area... if I have a small in Lavender Beds, and another small in Lavender Beds gets vacated, say I have a friend in that ward, I have an option to immediate re-locate to that plot, while vacating my current plot which will be available to be bid on in the next bidding cycle.

Once the new bidding cycle begins, relocations are no longer allowed until the next claim cycle.

You have to win the plot, if you already got a plot you can try and win the plot and then decide if you want to relocate or not, but you wont get dips over the actual winner of the plot, which is fair.

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Originally Posted by Amenara

I guess I am confused about what you are asking for then. Are you asking for a new part of the lottery be added at the end of the claiming period that allows players to relocate without having to deal with the lottery? Are you saying the claiming period should include a first come first serve relocation so that you can snipe houses from other players by relocating to the plot? I think both would be pretty terrible and defeat the purpose of having a lottery, to make it fair for everyone.

It sounds like you just want the ability to freely relocate your house around without having to go through the lottery.

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No the claiming period/shuffling period would be the same period. In the most conservative example if you limit relocations to lateral moves in the same housing area, it would look like this:

Bidding period ends and winners are announced:

As people claim their houses, any vacated houses are free for relocation as long as it's in the same housing area and is a lateral or downward move... small-> small, medium -> (medium, small). Think of it as open shuffling, where you're taking a plot, but opening up a plot to be available for bidding the next cycle... maybe you just want to be in a ward with your friend.

Once the next bidding cycle begins, everything is locked again.

But yes, it allows anyone to relocate under certain criteria before the next lottery bidding.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "fair". The bidding system severely limits lateral movement. When free shuffling is allowed, a plot is vacated for every one that is relocated into... there are many more opportunities for players to move into a new plot while giving other players the opportunity to do so with their previous plot. More houses are moved into, and more people are moving into houses that they want without affecting the number of houses/plot sizes available in the next lottery cycle.

Right now, fewer players overall are getting into houses that they want in a strict bidding system, with fewer opportunities to do so. Allowing some form of shuffling is an overall benefit to more players.

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Originally Posted by caspergrey

No the claiming period/shuffling period would be the same period. In the most conservative example if you limit relocations to lateral moves in the same housing area, it would look like this:

Bidding period ends and winners are announced:

As people claim their houses, any vacated houses are free for relocation as long as it's in the same housing area and is a lateral or downward move... small-> small, medium -> (medium, small). Think of it as open shuffling, where you're taking a plot, but opening up a plot to be available for bidding the next cycle... maybe you just want to be in a ward with your friend.

Once the next bidding cycle begins, everything is locked again.

But yes, it allows anyone to relocate under certain criteria before the next lottery bidding.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "fair". The bidding system severely limits lateral movement. When free shuffling is allowed, a plot is vacated for every one that is relocated into... there are many more opportunities for players to move into a new plot while giving other players the opportunity to do so with their previous plot. More houses are moved into, and more people are moving into houses that they want without affecting the number of houses/plot sizes available in the next lottery cycle.

Right now, fewer players overall are getting into houses that they want in a strict bidding system, with fewer opportunities to do so. Allowing some form of shuffling is an overall benefit to more players.

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I guess I just don't see the problem with bidding on the plot you want to relocate into? It reminds me of the old system of relocations where you got to completely bypass the system in place for new home buyers and relocate whenever you wanted. It gives relocators an advantage again that I disagree with.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

You have to win the plot, if you already got a plot you can try and win the plot and then decide if you want to relocate or not, but you wont get dips over the actual winner of the plot, which is fair.

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Think if it this way. The lottery ends, and player A who won a house decides to vacate their current home.

That leaves 1 open house for the next lottery. Come next lottery, everyone who wants that house bids, and a new homeowner wins. 2 players are happy.

Now, under the proposed system, after player A vacates, player B who lives next door likes that house better. So player B relocates during the claiming period. Then player C likes player B's old house so they relocate. And then at the start of the next cycle, player C's house is available for the lottery.

In the first example 2 people got into houses they wanted.

In the second example 4 people got into houses they wanted, in the same period of time.

Allowing some sort of shuffling while houses are getting vacated during the claiming period makes more houses available to more players overall. Limiting relocations to same housing area/same house size or smaller helps to maintain that the same quality of houses are available for the next lottery cycle as would have been if there was no relocation.