Use of tools that allow players to more easily complete content. Discord?

I just would like a clarification because according to that statement discord isn't allowed and breaks TOS. 1st time I cleared a savage was after ten tries I got on a team that used discord. The leader was well spoken and told us where to go and when. I cleared that savage easily all because of him. It is a tool that helped me complete the savage easily yes? or no? I need a definitive answer to the discord question. Use it yes allowed or no not allowed ...why do I need a definitive answer? because I do not want to get banned or suffer for 10 days

At this point Twitter enforces its standards better and more consistently than FF14 does.

Discord is fine. Its pure futility to try and stop peole from using voice chats even se knows that.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Discord is fine. Its pure futility to try and stop peole from using voice chats even se knows that.

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Yes but is it against that statement they posted? or are you saying shuuuuuuu use just don't tell anyone shuuuuuu

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Originally Posted by sagacious

Yes but is it against that statement they posted?

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No, when they say no third party tools means no programs that tamper with the game files or data. Discord does not touch the games files or data. Using discord is like using obs to stream its fine.

Remember that:

1) FFXIV works out of the box with PlayStation voice chat
2) SE collaborated with Panasonic to make a custom FFXIV version of the SoundSlayer wearable gaming speaker, which includes a microphone for voice chat
3) Discord, being owned by Sony, is more of a second-party tool, and
4) Sony enables you to link your PSN and Discord accounts and to show your game activity (including FFXIV) on your Discord user profile

For these reasons, I find it very unlikely that Discord would (or should) be considered an unauthorized third-party tool.

Similarly I don't expect that FFXIV wikis like gamerescape or consolegameswiki would be considered unauthorized third-party tools, particularly considering that SE has a community relationship with them.

I also wouldn't consider streaming tools to be considered unauthorized third party tool, and I'm pretty sure SE encourages streaming. The fact that they explicitly ask streamers not to spoil the story early in the patch indicates that streaming in general is acceptable.

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No, when they say no third party tools means no programs that tamper with the game files or data. Discord does not touch the games files or data. Using discord is like using obs to stream its fine.

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Thank you I can stop worrying now .... this is why I love the forums if it were not for you forum people I would have taken my gil out of the housing entry but I checked the forums first before I did anything and found out it was trouble and what to do.

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Originally Posted by Avenger

1) FFXIV works out of the box with PlayStation voice chat

2) Discord, being owned by Sony, is more of a second-party tool

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Thank you I can stop worrying

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No, when they say no third party tools means no programs that tamper with the game files or data. Discord does not touch the games files or data. Using discord is like using obs to stream its fine.

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That is not what they said previously. And Discord does not tamper with the game but if definitely gives people a bigger advantage than say a DPS meter, or a UI change to show buff timers under party members buff.

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Originally Posted by sagacious

Yes but is it against that statement they posted? or are you saying shuuuuuuu use just don't tell anyone shuuuuuu

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Discord does NOT fall into the category "natively" of what SE consider's a third party tool by definition.

"Accordingly, the following activities are prohibited:

- Modifying, analyzing, integrating, and/or reverse-engineering game software or data."

Discord does not modify game files.
Discord does not analyze the game files.
Discord does not integrate with the game files.
Discord is not reverse engineering the game files.

But then again, I feel people who reference Discord with this line of reasoning are being intellectually dishonest as you know what they are referring to.

Obviously there are also people fishing for them to take a stance on Discord. And there is the obviously waiting GOTCHA moment when they do that in regards to ACT callouts and if they ban someone for that.