a DNC rework suggestion

i have a small suggestion to how you can make dnc better in later pathces cause right now dancer can almost be out dpsd by a tank witch is not ok.





my idea is to make dnc more focussed on burst than straight dps. so for example you can make three fold have much more potency then it currently does or you can make it to where flourish buffes thoes buttons to do more damage in that shore time. idk just some ideas i had

DNC isn’t being almost out-DPS’d by tanks. Currently, at the 75th percentile for the four current Savage fights, DNC averages roughly 7,957.07. The highest tank is DRK at almost 5,600, same percentile. This is in rDPS, which for a job like DNC that buffs the party, is important. aDPS at 75th percentile is 6,908.43 for DNC, and 5,967.14 for DRK.

The physical ranged role as a whole is weak, but not to the point where they are being out-damaged by a tank of equal skill to them. Obviously you will see discrepancies between a very good, orange percentile tank and a gray-percentile DNC, but that is not a fair comparison. Nor one you should really make. Or use as a defense for “buff the physical ranged”.

DNC does have bursts: every 2-minutes during Technical Finish; and has mini-bursts every minute under Flourish.


If you are personally being out damaged by tanks, then I would look at your rotation to see what you can personally improve.

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Originally Posted by r0x

my idea is to make dnc more focussed on burst than straight dps.

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Who's going to tell them?

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Originally Posted by r0x

my idea is to make dnc more focussed on burst than straight dps. so for example you can make three fold have much more potency then it currently does or you can make it to where flourish buffes thoes buttons to do more damage in that shore time. idk just some ideas i had

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Flourish is a burst of guaranteed procs every 60s, which grants Fandance IV.
Standard Finish is a burst of damage every 30s, ideally lining up to 60s windows.
Technical Finish + Tillana is a burst of damage + buff phase every 120s.
Devilment is a 120s CD buff that also enables Starfall Dance.

+ major parts of DNC is pooling up to four feathers and as close to 100 Esprit as possible to the 60s cycles for raid buffs.

Dancer is literally a burst job, albeit affected by compound RNG (gcd with proc chance for a bigger gcd, with proc chance for a feather, which has a proc chance to get a bigger feather).

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Originally Posted by r0x

i have a small suggestion to how you can make dnc better in later pathces cause right now dancer can almost be out dpsd by a tank witch is not ok.





my idea is to make dnc more focussed on burst than straight dps. so for example you can make three fold have much more potency then it currently does or you can make it to where flourish buffes thoes buttons to do more damage in that shore time. idk just some ideas i had

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Dnc is in a good state and well out damages tanks. The average skill level of dancers is just very low. I main nin which is extremely competitive to parse with since only the most hardcore ninjas stuck with the job after the initial ew state. I started to gear up dnc and was able to parse 65+ in p1/2s with only practicing on a dummy for 30 mins getting my rotation above 95% optimal, after hitting 90 and just having savage right side + 590 weapon. I had a realization that the parse for them isn't competitive and the majority of dncers are just bad. The job has three things to do: keep gcd rolling, buff off cd without any delay, line up feathers with 2 min burst window and dump extra ones during one min burst windows depending on buffs. If you do those three things no tank will come close to you in dps......

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Originally Posted by Flatopia

Who's going to tell them?

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There is a lot more to tell...

This is a good way to understand why SQEX doesn't like parsers.
They know a massive chunk of the playerbase don't know how to use and understand these.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

There is a lot more to tell...

This is a good way to understand why SQEX doesn't like parsers.
They know a massive chunk of the playerbase don't know how to use and understand these.

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Then theres the forgotten console playerbase that can't use act to improve. Around 75% I get my dnc party wrong, i look at job and ilvl and choose who should do more dps then their rotation is bad and I don't know.......

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

There is a lot more to tell...

This is a good way to understand why SQEX doesn't like parsers.
They know a massive chunk of the playerbase don't know how to use and understand these.

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The job is burst-focused, even without a parse it's just in it's kit.
Flourish, Devliment, Tech, Fan Dances being storable, Esprit gain during tech being insane, the fact their basic combo GCDs do pathetic damage.

Like, sure, I'm a pretty great dancer player but I'm not going to act like I couldn't tell where the damage was loaded even when I first started. The job is already extremely burst heavy, and instead of asking for a rework to make the job into what it already is it'd be better to just learn the job.

The job is....already burst focused....

The entire dps rotation is about lining up your cooldowns for a bananas burst window.