Is it just me or are some Healers refusing to Heal Paladins?

So little background about me. I have maxed (Before Endwalker) out all the tanks except warrior. I have tons of max level DPS and one maxed out (Before Endwalker) White Mage.

Something that always concerned me was DPS Healers basically healers who prefer to DPS over healing. Typically, even these healers would start healing once you get below 30% health, but every now and then you get a healer who refuses to heal until you are below 15% or even 10%, which can be nerve wrecking as a tank if you did a big pull it only takes one big heal to kill you but the rule of thumb is if your still alive the healer is doing his job and if you die that's on the healer.

Greatest thing about the Paladin is the Healing Ability and it can make a difference as an off tank when things are getting real bad in a raid but I noticed for Endwalker content I have healers who are absolutely refusing to heal or will only start maybe healing once the Paladin's MP is exhausted healing himself well the healer is just DPSing.

I have not played a Sage yet, but I know they lack an instant heal, but I have been running with healers who almost never heal and are waiting for me to start healing myself. At a certain point this week I sort of tested this out by barely healing and they would let me die rather than heal me at the start of the dungeon.

I was experiencing this with Sages at first and sort of judging them harshly, but then I have gotten into some wonderful parties with them doing their jobs.

I know as a Healer, my big thing is, rather than DPSing the entire time I heal.

I have had horrible parties lately where I would get a healer they wouldn't heal and it would just be miserable and then the DPS would drop out and of course the healer would leave and thankfully the next healer typically heals rather then DPSing which has been my luck.

Is this a new trend? I just came back into the game last month and thankfully most of the dungeons have been trusts but now I am leveling my alts and the healers are getting bad. I noticed they will heal my DRK and Gunblade but my Paladin again they would rather let me die then heal me.

Nah, SGE has instant heals with its Addersgall stacks so they don't lack completely in that department.

What would you define as barely healing, and what would you define as "not DPSing the entire time and healing" (ie the thing you do)? Like, are you dying to no heals often across many groups? If you're zooming from 100-40, it's a tank defensives issue. If your health gradually slips to 0, then it's a healer issue (at least usually). Healers as a norm do prefer to do damage and healing both.

Have you come back after a really long time?

I'd say I get those types of healers more in P1-4Ns for some reasons, sages being the biggest offenders with being greedy with their heals and deciding to dps more. Seriously during a P3N run with my SO being my DRK co-tank, his healing was on par with both the AST and the sage by using TBN lmao when we checked FFlogs. I was constantly floating around 5-10k hp the entire fight and only lived due to TBN being on me + clemency nonstop.

I honestly don't get it. It's definitely not just you, I think in general it's been that way even if you aren't a PLD, PLD is just more sustainable with their heals unlike DRK where they NEED to be healed or die

I main PLD and I can't say I've run into this problem.

I would suggest just not using clemency at all and seeing if the problem continues, even if you feel you're about to die. I doubt anyone will give you flak for not clemming.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

I main PLD and I can't say I've run into this problem.

I would suggest just not using clemency at all and seeing if the problem continues, even if you feel you're about to die. I doubt anyone will give you flak for not clemming.

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I don't think it'd a widespread problem perse but I've definitely seen it.. like in the P3N fight I mentioned above, the dps were dying and even when they were revived they were barely healing, RDM and I were having to legit heal them. It was legit just such a weird run lol

Another time I had a healer be greedy with their heals I didn't clemency and just straight died even with GCD and mitigation from no heals, didn't change how they played unfortunately. Like I said I don't think it's like EVERY single run it's happening but yeah every now and then I've had it happen..

I dunno, i've been running into to pld who clem if they fall below 95% hp. Like chill bro, i know how to use benny.

Healers should be DPSing. All of them including Sage have instant heals, and SGE in particular also has Kardia, which isn't life saving healing, but consistent healing while they continue to allocate GCDs towards damage.

Healers should not be letting players die, or leaving players at critical HP that takes away their buffer for a mistake. Even the most steadfast DPSing healer knows that a swiftcasted raise will still cost you a GCD, so it remains in their best interest to keep players ticking. Playing HP limbo is not the same as being fully aware of the instance and having things under control. Intentionally making players nervous by walking a tightrope is a faulty playstyle that doesn't do anyone any favors.

Healers and healing is in an odd place right now. You kind of have to rely on derpy players for it to be engaging. Mindless downtime due to lack of DPS options is as much at fault for tunnel visioning healers as is an offensive mind. Most tanks have a lot of sustainability, and healers add a respectable amount of damage that strongly facilitates clears of high-end duties. They are in this place where you can't add to one thing without taking from another. So we all just kind of deal with it. Most of us anyway.

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

Nah, SGE has instant heals with its Addersgall stacks so they don't lack completely in that department.

What would you define as barely healing, and what would you define as "not DPSing the entire time and healing" (ie the thing you do)? Like, are you dying to no heals often across many groups? If you're zooming from 100-40, it's a tank defensives issue. If your health gradually slips to 0, then it's a healer issue (at least usually). Healers as a norm do prefer to do damage and healing both.

Have you come back after a really long time?

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I'm talking about no healing buffs put on me or if it a buff is put on me they accept that as healing. Like they won't start healing at all I noticed as a Paladin. This week when I tested I was not going to heal at the beginning of the dungeons the healers would often not cast even a healing buff or if they did that's all they did and just DPS'd until I died. Then when they resurrected me they did one big heal and then stopped healing completely again.

I've noticed this is happening to my Paladins only the Gunblades and Dark Knights will get healed, but the Paladin seems to be expected to heal themselves.

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Originally Posted by Padudu

I'd say I get those types of healers more in P1-4Ns for some reasons, sages being the biggest offenders with being greedy with their heals and deciding to dps more. Seriously during a P3N run with my SO being my DRK co-tank, his healing was on par with both the AST and the sage by using TBN lmao when we checked FFlogs. I was constantly floating around 5-10k hp the entire fight and only lived due to TBN being on me + clemency nonstop.

I honestly don't get it. It's definitely not just you, I think in general it's been that way even if you aren't a PLD, PLD is just more sustainable with their heals unlike DRK where they NEED to be healed or die

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So your getting that on other tanks. Yeah, as I mentioned earlier, there was always a segment of the healing population that prefers DPSing over healing, but it seems to have gotten worse in this expansion and especially for Paladins. I mean on my other tanks I am still getting healers who barely heal there as always been that but the weird thing about my Paladins I am getting healers in Endwalker content that won't heal at all causing a wipe.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

I main PLD and I can't say I've run into this problem.

I would suggest just not using clemency at all and seeing if the problem continues, even if you feel you're about to die. I doubt anyone will give you flak for not clemming.

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That is what I started testing this week and I have been demanded I use clemency which at this point they want me to be Healer and tank

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Originally Posted by Bsrking5

I dunno, i've been running into to pld who clem if they fall below 95% hp. Like chill bro, i know how to use benny.

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Lol, I actually do this for a specific reason. For example there is a Buff the Paladin has that once you get healed it gives everyone around you a defensive buff. So if I noticed I am pretty high up and it will be a minute before I am going to get healed I typically use that ability and clem so everyone gets a defensive boost.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

Paladin has the most robust kit in terms of utility, self-sustain, and mitigation. This in turn allows your healers to output more dps on your behalf, which is why things are balanced this way. You've already had two expansions as hands down the most dominant tank, heaven forbid that you're not the best tank at everything.

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This is an example of the mentality I am speaking off. They expect you to heal well the healers DPS

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Originally Posted by HisShadowX

Is it just me or are some Healers refusing to Heal Paladins?

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It is just you.

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Originally Posted by Bsrking5

I dunno, i've been running into to pld who clem if they fall below 95% hp. Like chill bro, i know how to use benny.

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This so much. When I run healer I usually stop healing the tank after the initial pull because they will heal themselves so much that they leave me nothing to do but dps. If they take a dip I will throw a heal but it does nothing because they are healing themselves anyway.

Idk why we even have healers at this point.