6.08 buffs, what´s the point?!

I get that some classes like DNC, MCH or NIN needed a buff and i´m glad that RPR didn´t got one. But what´s the point with the rest?

MNK has already been top DPS and gets a buff, like why? Because the playercount is still to low for its rework, so SE wants to bring more ppl to that aweful job? The rotation isn´t hard or interesting to justify this.

MCH on the other hand... what are those buffs? It doesn´t even scale as well as BRD / DNC with more gear and good teammembers.


So what´s the point of balancing? You don´t keep class-difficulty in mind, but you do? We still have to pay a sick rangetax, but on the other hand some easy to play chars like MNK / RPR sit on the top and get even buffed?

And where are the nerfs?

Jobs were underperforming relative to content so they needed to be buffed to be put in line with their expected and desired output within content /thread

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Originally Posted by Gruntler

Jobs were underperforming relative to content so they needed to be buffed to be put in line with their expected and desired output within content /thread

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Some of them yes, but SAM, BLM, especially MNK? No chance... With all the buffs and 0 nerfs across the board, the content will just get easier and fool-proofed if we talk about DPS-checks.

They said it previously that busier job (monk 39.8 average apm) should at least have slightly higher dps than less busier ones (reaper 36.0 apm).

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Originally Posted by Dionysius

They said it previously that busier job (monk) should at least have slightly higher dps than less busier ones.

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MNK isn´t busier than others, only RPR. DRG,NIN and SAM have more actions per minute due to a bunch of oGCD´s, even or more positionals and stuff like Mudra. And the only time where MNK gets somehow busy if every 120s, meanwhile camping behind the boss in the whole burstwindow. BLM is far away from being busy aswell and RPR is still stronger than other melees while sitting on a high GCD timing with less stuff to do than DRG.

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Originally Posted by ssunny2008

Some of them yes, but SAM, BLM, especially MNK? No chance... With all the buffs and 0 nerfs across the board, the content will just get easier and fool-proofed if we talk about DPS-checks.

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Samurai and Black Mage were. Both were getting pretty noticeably outclassed by Monk and Reaper. Considering they're both supposed to be the "selfish" job, it never made much sense how much better Reaper was. Of course that doesn't really excuse why Monk got a buff when it's hilariously strong right now. Every other buff was needed, though Machinist definitely got the raw end of the deal.

We're already long passed the point where DPS-checks are getting stomped on. Only P4S has one, and that's only because people haven't all gotten their weapons yet. We're two weeks out from tome weapons too. So even players not clearing P3S will have a massive power swing coming. So making the fights mildly easier won't really have any impact.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Samurai and Black Mage were. Both were getting pretty noticeably outclassed by Monk and Reaper. Considering they're both supposed to be the "selfish" job, it never made much sense how much better Reaper was. Of course that doesn't really excuse why Monk got a buff when it's hilariously strong right now. Every other buff was needed, though Machinist definitely got the raw end of the deal.

We're already long passed the point where DPS-checks are getting stomped on. Only P4S has one, and that's only because people haven't all gotten their weapons yet. We're two weeks out from tome weapons too. So even players not clearing P3S will have a massive power swing coming. So making the fights mildly easier won't really have any impact.

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I know about BLM and SAM, but it was not needed to buff them. Just nerf MNK / RPR and we would´ve what has been needed. The current "buff only" mentality makes the content nothing but easier. And the question "what´s their way of balancing" is still in the room. They say that they won´t balance around difficulty, but we pay a range-tax. On the other hand stuff is claimed like above "busy jobs...", while they´re not the busiest. So yeah, the only way why MNK and RPR has to be so powerful is to get ppl into them, or not?!

Every fight has a DPS check and a lot of ppl can´t past P2s enrage even with LB3 and no deaths. They´re just not good players and this patch does a lot to them. Instead of learning to execute their class a bit better, they can rely on huge buffs. It just doesn´t make sense to call something savage then, when they keep making it easier and easier, no matter how irrelevant it might be for top players.

you just gotta cope my guy
also the event gear suits you

Tbh I don't think I've actually had everyone survive the whole fight and not killed the boss, when I've died to enrage it has always been because people died.
I think being somewhat competent at your Job and actually surviving goes hand in hand ( normally at least ).

I think P1S is a bit different and I definitely do get the feeling a lot of people got carried very hard considering how much too many people suck in P2S...
I haven't even tried P3S and P4S yet I've had far too much lag I only had 3 days of the week I could play and even then I lagged randomly still, Friday to Mondays was completely unplayable.
I got Mudfish now tho and it solved my lag issues by letting me get around the garbage nodes causing problems so I can move on this week finally.
But P1S at least I feel like you can basically carry people who are screwing up, in P2S there gotta be minimal mistakes but if there are minimal mistakes then enrage hasn't been an issue.

I agree with most buffs.
But why the hell does MNK need buffs. It's not a very busy job and is already on top of the dps charts (along with RPR) yet it gets a buff?
MCH buffs seem so small compared to the other jobs while i think MCH is the job that needs it the most.

Also I'm glad with the SMN buffs. I think they need more but will see. The buttons that did get buffed are buttons we press kind of often I guess and maybe Ifrit will finally be in line with the other 2 primals?
I still think SMN needs some big rotation adjustments/additions to make it more FUN to play though.