Revert the Ninja change please, thanks.

Hello! Another Ninja thread.

You've given us a combo ability and now you've removed it. There's absolutely no scenario you'd pick Forked over Fleeting. If you're so adamant on splitting the ability make it an AOE variant.

As it stands now Forked is a literal dead skill. That's pretty Forked if you ask me. :cool:

Anyway.

The change feels like some spite change. It makes no sense.

Thanks for reading, cheers!

Lol troll thread.

What are you on about? Ninja feels infinitely better after the changes since you don't have to decide whether or not you should try to get that suicide dive in for a dps gain.

It is stupid that you still can't hold the stacks though since it's rare you can make use of the gap closer without being able to hold.



Imo If they just made your stacks not fall off from using other weaponskills ninja would be perfect from a gameplay standpoint.

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Originally Posted by Kelg

What are you on about? Ninja feels infinitely better after the changes since you don't have to decide whether or not you should try to get that suicide dive in for a dps gain.

It is stupid that you still can't hold the stacks though since it's rare you can make use of the gap closer without being able to hold.



Imo If they just made your stacks not fall off from using other weaponskills ninja would be perfect from a gameplay standpoint.

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What are you on about? Suiciding isn't a problem that's your issue. The skill stops you outside of a hitbox of a boss so if there's one under it then just don't walk forward or time your charge. I don't know you and I don't want to call you incompetent, but just because you had that experience it doesn't mean the rest of us are suicidal like you or it warranting a dead skill right after release.

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Originally Posted by Kelg

What are you on about? Ninja feels infinitely better after the changes since you don't have to decide whether or not you should try to get that suicide dive in for a dps gain.

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You still have to be in melee range even to use Forked Raijuu, so there's no decrease to risk. We just now get a choice of (A) a standard melee skill that can't be banked or (B) a melee skill that can't be banked that also has a free gap closer... for the same potency.

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Imo If they just made your stacks not fall off from using other weaponskills ninja would be perfect from a gameplay standpoint.

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I don't get why they didn't just do this, even if it'd mean shortening Raijuu Ready from 30s to, say, 5s in balance.

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Originally Posted by Bureda

What are you on about? Suiciding isn't a problem that's your issue. The skill stops you outside of a hitbox of a boss so if there's one under it then just don't walk forward or time your charge. I don't know you and I don't want to call you incompetent, but just because you had that experience it doesn't mean the rest of us are suicidal like you or it warranting a dead skill right after release.

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why Yes I'm totally incompetent because I don't like being forced to spam 4-6 gapclosers in a row! ah yes incompetency feel good


There are still cases where forked will cause you to move just close enough to be hit by aoes, so I don't see how it's a bad thing to have the option to not gapclose.

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Originally Posted by Kelg

why Yes I'm totally incompetent because I don't like being forced to spam 4-6 gapclosers in a row! ah yes incompetency feel good

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That's... not at all optimal in the first place. What of your Hyosho Ranryu and Suiton? Why would you ever be using 3 Raiton in a row?

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Originally Posted by Bureda

In my humble opinion you would never not want utility. Utility is god-tier. We've lost a whole complete skill and a gap closer for some minor potency increase and now we are left with an inferior skill that you should never use.

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And that's assuming the increase over average ppgcd on the now single Raijuu GCD isn't simply the sum of the increase over average ppgcd of the previously two Raijuu GCDs. In all likelyhood, NIN wasn't buffed at all; it's just become faintly more frontloaded, which is only really a boon if it allows us to get off an extra Aeolian Edge inside raid buff where we'd previously only manage up to Gust Blade. To call that a negligible difference would still be an overstatement.

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Originally Posted by Kelg

I'm being hyperbolic but there were definitely times where you would get 4 stacks and have to gapclose 4 times. Ninja is 100% better off now lol

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But, again, what is the issue? The gap close from melee range binds up at most a half-second of movement; you have 77%+ left of your GCD in which to prepare for it. Your alternative is to simply have used another melee range skill anyways, subject to nearly all the same issues. Instead, now your level 90 skill has been halved in its frequency and you've lost available capacity, often wasted or no.

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Originally Posted by Kelg

why Yes I'm totally incompetent because I don't like being forced to spam 4-6 gapclosers in a row! ah yes incompetency feel good

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In my humble opinion you would never not want utility. Utility is god-tier. We've lost a whole complete skill and a gap closer for some minor potency increase and now we are left with an inferior skill that you should never use.

I'm being hyperbolic but there were definitely times where you would get 4 stacks and have to gapclose 4 times. Ninja is 100% better off now lol

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Originally Posted by Bureda

In my humble opinion you would never not want utility. Utility is god-tier. We've lost a whole complete skill and a gap closer for some minor potency increase and now we are left with an inferior skill that you should never use.

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Forked Raiju is still a skill and you can still use it. I don't see how it's lost.

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Originally Posted by Kelg

I'm being hyperbolic but there were definitely times where you would get 4 stacks and have to gapclose 4 times. Ninja is 100% better off now lol

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You think you're better off now, not the Ninja DPS role. Let's not get it twisted. Keep that blanket statement to yourself. Cheers.

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Originally Posted by Kelg

Forked Raiju is still a skill and you can still use it. I don't see how it's lost.

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With one stack you were able to combo and if you buffered the skill by casting it half way through Hyosho animation you could get a empowered Bhava in your Trick Attack window on average (even through boss chaos) or another Raiton / Fleeting Raiju. Now you can't combo it, you make a choice and one is just superior by far, basically making Forked irrelevant and not worthy enough to be on your hotbar.