New Dungeon Concept - Mt. Gagazet - Sacred Mountain of Hrogar

This instance has 4 man instance - high snowy peaks a rough climb for any adventure a place grants a worthy challenge to anyone who can reach the top. and the respect of Hrogar tribe that guards entrance

First Boss - Defender X

Action 1 - Blast Punch - Begins charging an attack that takes a bit to cast. dps have to move to a switch to left. press it poor oil over him blinding him. it fire and miss the target its targeting. if player didn't hit a switch your hp drop to 1 with really nasty heavy

Action 2 - Quake - he stomp the ground dealing damage this ability deals more damage if target is effected by heavy watch would result in death

Action 3 when its hp is reduced to 25% it will cause "Mighty Gaurd" on itself. reducing all damage by 90% to remove this ability players need hit the swift on the right to remove this effect


Boss 2 Biran and Yanke - these use a lot of blue magic spells. that blue mage can learn off them if you not learn

Action 1 - when one of them dies other gets empowered

Action 2 - biran and yanke will target random party member and began to shoulder tackle them and stuns on impact. then instantly cast a random blue mage spell on the target and deal 75% less damage

Final Boss - Sanctuary Keeper

Action 1 - "Photon Wings" he will rain small ranged easy to dodge this seem like endless barrage of small lasers that would require movement - getting hit by these isn't good idea cause its equalivant to "bad breathe"

Action 2 - Galaxy Torrent - he charge large laser a player must take position in middle surround themselves do live action you have press button mufti-times while whole team takes continue damage healer has to heal everyone in party massive heal check

Action 3 - Barrage requires you stack up with your allies share damage. then move away from each other right away and cause will fire a photon at each team member this is aoe.

working on the other bosses

would like to know if what people think

Could you toss in some concept art and visual descriptions of the bosses and trash? (Heck, I think some here would love to see trash actually get an interesting mechanic or two, if you wanted to include that, too.)

You'll probably also want to clarify the exact geometries of, say, Photon Wings? Are they random small AoEs that strike quickly? Sectors?

Make sure these moves are influencing player behavior or else they're not actually a mechanic, but instead merely (likely oGCD-healable) damage, or at best/worst, unmitigatable random CC.

Take Biran and Yanke's stun for instance. What the point? How does it interestingly constrain player behavior? I could see a four-move combo by which you'd want to continuously swap out who's being hit, perhaps ending with your tank, since that becomes at least a movement mechanic... if the players are prevented from just stacking in advance.

I'll bookmark and return in a couple days, but it's hard to judge with just what's here.

I'd start, again, with considering the actual player tasks/behaviors you want to see or (if you want to go above and beyond the norm for XIV dungeons), the decision paths you want to make available. Flesh those out and people will have more to go by.

Yes, please. Toss in concept art and everything. That is the only way to ensure that your vision will never, ever come to pass in this game.

Players don't get that if SE ever uses anything you all come up with in-game, specifically the way you describe it, they open the company to legal charges. Which is something they cannot do. Ever.

There will never be a dungeon with this name, nor bosses with those names, nor bosses with actions listed in this game. It's one of the major reasons that song writers don't listen to/or watch fan submissions. It's one of the major reasons that authors don't seek out fan fiction based on their works.

Your concept could be cool, and interesting. Just don't ever expect a developer to actually read the post, lest it put the company in legal jeopardy at some time in the future.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

Yes, please. Toss in concept art and everything. That is the only way to ensure that your vision will never, ever come to pass in this game.

Players don't get that if SE ever uses anything you all come up with in-game, specifically the way you describe it, they open the company to legal charges. Which is something they cannot do. Ever.

There will never be a dungeon with this name, nor bosses with those names, nor bosses with actions listed in this game. It's one of the major reasons that song writers don't listen to/or watch fan submissions. It's one of the major reasons that authors don't seek out fan fiction based on their works.

Your concept could be cool, and interesting. Just don't ever expect a developer to actually read the post, lest it put the company in legal jeopardy at some time in the future.

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Maybe they wouldn't use the exact attack mechanics as described above but nothing the OP said was original ( not a jab at them!) Their dungeon concept is based directly off of Mt Gagazet in FFX including directly referencing the bosses, with ability names, that you need to beat while scaling the mountain before reaching Zanarkand.

I would love to see more FFX references in XIV. We're already getting Anima which is AMAZING but more would definitely be good (for me.)

To say SE will never use this as a content concept because a player asked for it because "legal reasons" makes no sense.

(Side note: I don't know if you've seen but there are references by Twine in Amh Areang to Yenke, Biran and Kelk as they were the Ronso who helped found the mines and get Twine started as the mining hub it is)

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

Yes, please. Toss in concept art and everything. That is the only way to ensure that your vision will never, ever come to pass in this game.

Players don't get that if SE ever uses anything you all come up with in-game, specifically the way you describe it, they open the company to legal charges. Which is something they cannot do. Ever.

There will never be a dungeon with this name, nor bosses with those names, nor bosses with actions listed in this game. It's one of the major reasons that song writers don't listen to/or watch fan submissions. It's one of the major reasons that authors don't seek out fan fiction based on their works.

Your concept could be cool, and interesting. Just don't ever expect a developer to actually read the post, lest it put the company in legal jeopardy at some time in the future.

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This just seems blatantly wrong, besides the fact that Soken has actually responded to fan work. As for the latter it's difficult to say for perfect certainty if it's extreme coincidence or not but there are multiple occasions where something was desired and then it happened relatively similar to what was asked.

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This just seems blatantly wrong, besides the fact that Soken has actually responded to fan work. As for the later it's difficult to say if it's coincidence or not but there are multiple occasions where something was desired and then it happened relatively similar to what was asked.

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I've actually read the court cases about similar stuff to what DPZ2 is talking about (and Phil Foglio once discussed it at length in his LiveJournal, about the whole <kupo>storm with Marion Zimmer Bradley) and it's slightly different from what you're saying.

Soken has reacted to fanwork, yes, but that stuff is a variation of his work in XIV in the first place so if something sounds similar they can't legally claim that Soken stole from them; technically speaking, Soken listening to them could be a liability to the CREATORS by transforming something that is SE's intellectual property, but fanworks have been getting more legal protections in the last 10 or so years so as long as they're not profiting from the songs themselves, it's bad PR to send DMCA takedowns. The latter can be chalked up to fan requests, and unless they use actual assets (such as 3D models, concept art, or story beats), it can be protected.

Hence, putting up actual fan-made concept art and very specific notes CAN open SE for liability if the fan creator is not properly credited and compensated. It's why the design contests credit the winners and give them an in-game prize. The creator is compensated, and the item/hairstyle becomes SE property; and you agree that your design becomes SE's legal property by entering in the first place, as it's in the Contest description.

But again, SE owns the rights to everything the OP mentioned already so is SE going to sue SE for adding a dungeon based on SE owned content? Weird thought but okay.

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Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage

I've actually read the court cases about similar stuff to what DPZ2 is talking about (and Phil Foglio once discussed it at length in his LiveJournal, about the whole <kupo>storm with Marion Zimmer Bradley) and it's slightly different from what you're saying.

Soken has reacted to fanwork, yes, but that stuff is a variation of his work in XIV in the first place so if something sounds similar they can't legally claim that Soken stole from them; technically speaking, Soken listening to them could be a liability to the CREATORS by transforming something that is SE's intellectual property, but fanworks have been getting more legal protections in the last 10 or so years so as long as they're not profiting from the songs themselves, it's bad PR to send DMCA takedowns. The latter can be chalked up to fan requests, and unless they use actual assets (such as 3D models, concept art, or story beats), it can be protected.

Hence, putting up actual fan-made concept art and very specific notes CAN open SE for liability if the fan creator is not properly credited and compensated. It's why the design contests credit the winners and give them an in-game prize. The creator is compensated, and the item/hairstyle becomes SE property; and you agree that your design becomes SE's legal property by entering in the first place, as it's in the Contest description.

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I hear the can sue, but just breathing can be an issue with someone litigious enough. I still don't believe that SE just ignores specific feedback. Of course SE is not going to copy things 1:1, and perhaps that is because of what you say (legal reasons), I always assumed because it is a mix of "needs to be improved" / "I still want to enjoy my job and make things myself", but I have massive doubts that what DPZ2 actually suggests is true at least to the level at which I felt it was a productive addition to the thread*. Which is summed up as "SE is not going to take your feedback and desires into consideration because someone could sue if it looked like they did". He says don't expect a developer to read the post, but they say they do.

The message that DPZ2 was passing along which was along the lines of feedback is ignored due to legal reasons, I find blatantly wrong (particularly in this conversation 'specific' feedback). I strongly believe SE has taken feedback regularly, and sometimes fairly close to original (with some chance of coincidence of course). Like LONG ago I had suggested Paladin with Tyrael wings being able to protect those behind them could be a cool spell (I was trying to get rid of tempered will lol). Group crafts that were projects (meaning you didn't need to finish the craft in one go). Or summoner can summon outside of egi simply by handwaving towards bahamut aether. Etc etc, I mean recently they had the aethernet map UI which I had been asking for for while. I'm sure some of it might be a bit "you've posted so much you might just guess stuff like Nostradomus", which I believe is partly likely, but I also believe they actively take feedback into consideration in minor and major ways.

If you're simply saying "1:1 copies will never happen, and there are legal reasons for it" then sure, but I never thought 1:1 was realistic even if there was no legal reason. The vibe however I got from DPZ2 was far more cynical and I find an inaccurate picture of the situation, beyond the fact that OP is clearly using FF's content already so.. if we're getting all legal stuff then... SE already owns most of the ideas OP has suggested and the minor variations required to reach the end.. are there if SE wanted to take them. So my reason to response stands as I found it negative and relatively non-applicable in general and to the situation.

*To avoid derailing the thread I'm not going to respond though if you wanted to make a new one we could there lol. Defeating my own purpose if by drawing out the negative energy that I wanted to call out (the statement not the individual).

Mount Gigazet art work

Sanctury Keeper

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fi...20131004021411

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...enJIM&usqp=CAU

X -
https://img.game8.co/3212143/1964d50...2936.jpeg/show

mount gigazet

https://halalhassan.files.wordpress....8-d71ae3w1.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/75/e4/34/7...6e53e6d0b1.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b7/32...2100932368.jpg

Music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVjjibqH8ag&t=89s

Biran and Yanke -

Biran
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20080117182256

Yanke -
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/p_...ix=protagonist

this what you guys asking